Why have HackFests been Dropped from the PLUG Schedule?
John J. Macey
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Tue Dec 2 09:59:07 MST 2014
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On 12/02/2014 11:38 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> Definitely! Thanks for that.
>
> When asked what I would do with my pi, I mentioned I was going to do a
> Tor Relay. One member looked at me, laughed and said, Good luck with that.
>
> Another time, I was assisting someone with an install. The idiot next
> to me was flinching twitching and making grunting noises.
> Finally, I turned off the machine and said, "And what would you do?!"
> He made a suggestion which was what I actually had done already.
> The woman who I was assisting even said, "Isn't that what you were doing"
>
> Another incident was when I stated that one member of the installfests
> was rude and if Todd didn't take care of that, I would. I was accused
> of threatening this member when I was simply stating in front of a
> group of people that Mark was a rude arrogant problem that needed to
> be dealt with.
>
> Now, maybe, it's just Todd. However, I went to leadership who did
> nothing until I started making noise at a higher level. The noise
> wasn't even about the gender bias but the push on Ubuntu and the
> treatment of members.
> Incidentally, when I went to local leadership, he acted as if I were
> lying before any investigation.
>
> Women come to your meetings and then leave. Maybe the general
> population of the group do not realize why because so many people come
> and go from the PLUG. Maybe people think women cannot handle the
> content or that they are leaving because of other reasons.
>
> I was all but pushed out of your old boys club. In fact, Todd stated
> he didn't want me at the installfests. Was that because I was
> insisting on positive change or because I was female. You tell me? He
> laughed at me several times. Of course, he was not that nice to other
> members either. I never noticed him condescend to any of the males
> though.
>
> There is gender bias. Maybe not at your local meetings because it's
> just ALL LECTURE.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Shawn Badger <shawn at badger.pro
> <mailto:shawn at badger.pro>> wrote:
>
> I have been in the PLUG for a while now and have not seen any
> gender bias.
> Can you point to any examples of how the group is gender biased so
> the group can work on those issues?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur
> <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com <mailto:m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> hans,
>
> I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
> Accusations of this are quite serious.
>
> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment.
>
> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:44 PM, der.hans <PLUGd at lufthans.com
> <mailto:PLUGd at lufthans.com>> wrote:
>
> Am 01. Dez, 2014 schwätzte Kaoru Wilbur so:
>
> Well, this was an interesting thread.
> I would like to chime in here for a moment.
>
> While I have not experienced unwanted sexually
> advances by anyone at PLUG
> in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias,
> definitely.
>
> Some people may not experience this gender bias
> because, well frankly, we
> are unsure of your gender...
>
>
> That's uncalled for, especially right as you're claiming
> there is gender bias.
>
> All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a
> little more
> thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes.
>
>
> Most of us do a good job. Over the years there have only
> been problems
> with a few people. Most adjust their behavior when it's
> pointed out.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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