OT: remember

[Joshua Zeidner]

  there were some stories where some of the survivors of the Pentagon scene
were actually watching the WTC news coverage when the <whatever it was>
struck the Pentagon. -jmz

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dan Lund <situationalawareness at gmail.com>wrote:

> I guess the real question is why did the people in the pentagon and
> the trade centers stay in the same spot when they say the planes
> coming!!! everyone should run!!!
> (joking)
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lund
> It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
> to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
> act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
> free scope.
> -Niccolo Machiavelli
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >   but the fact that these people haven't showed up would indicate to
> an
> >> > objective mind that perhaps we don't have the full story.  There have
> >> > been
> >> > quite a few credible stories of 911 witnesses being harassed and
> >> > threatened.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rZ_K67OHWw
> >> >
> >> >   this isn't a new take on this subject, but the fact that we have
> >> > someone
> >> > right here who claims to possess such evidence, but refuses to produce
> >> > it is
> >> > a bit disconcerting.  His alibi: that people mock and deride him when
> he
> >> > posts the pictures.  If anything he will be mocked if he doesn't post
> >> > the
> >> > pictures.
> >>
> >> Not-so-hypothetical situation:
> >>
> >> A amateur photograph is presented.  Taken in a room of any abandoned
> >> house, there is an artifact of light to one side that looks remarkably
> >> like a see-through woman in an old fashioned dress.
> >>
> >> The believer will point out all the reasons, some very logical, why
> >> this is a picture of a ghost.  The skeptic will point out all the
> >> reasons, some very logical, why it is some flare or flaw in the film
> >> or something and therefore not a ghost.
> >>
> >> Neither will convince the other, no matter how long they discuss.
> >> Why?  Because they each see through their own prejudices and beliefs.
> >> They each see their own truth.
> >
> >   just a quick point... its an asymmetrical conflict.  On one hand you
> have
> > an 'official' investigation with a (semi) consistent story and credible
> > official testimony.  On the other hand you have a mob of angry theorists
> > speaking at varying levels of anonymity, some which may be correct, all
> > being considered as one group that shares the same level of credibility.
>  I
> > certainly feel there is some kind of subterfuge going on here, but that
> > doesn't mean that I agree with every person who disagrees with the 911
> > Commission Report.
> >
> >> Now to the topic at hand:  While I too question and wonder about all
> >> the events surrounding 9/11/2001, I generally think the people on the
> >> two extremes of the discussions will never reconcile.  And, no matter
> >> the evidence presented, including silly government actions like
> >> confiscating video and film, very few will ever change sides or
> >> convince one to believe the other story.
> >>
> >> If Charles does or does not produce photos, it will do little to
> >> decide the debate here or in the world at large.
> >
> >   Given that he did just post his pictures... the fact remains there is
> no
> > compelling evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon.  Any reasoning
> > individual would question the fact that something as big as a plane would
> > likely leave incontrovertible evidence if it struck such an important
> > building in such a crowded area.  Charles claims he did see a plane, and
> one
> > interesting thing I just noticed on the CNN video- this person is saying
> the
> > the plane 'stopped short' of the Pentagon, so does seem to agree that a
> > plane was there as Charles corroborates.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>  The believers will
> >> continue to believe and the skeptics won't.  And if emotions run high
> >> in an unproductive debate the only result will be broken
> >> relationships.
> >
> >   There is a controversy, and there is a truth behind it. -jmz
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War
> IV
> > will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein
> >
> > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
> >
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