OT: remember

[Dan Lund]

I guess the real question is why did the people in the pentagon and
the trade centers stay in the same spot when they say the planes
coming!!! everyone should run!!!
(joking)

Thanks,
Dan Lund
It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
free scope.
-Niccolo Machiavelli



On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >   but the fact that these people haven't showed up would indicate to an
>> > objective mind that perhaps we don't have the full story.  There have
>> > been
>> > quite a few credible stories of 911 witnesses being harassed and
>> > threatened.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rZ_K67OHWw
>> >
>> >   this isn't a new take on this subject, but the fact that we have
>> > someone
>> > right here who claims to possess such evidence, but refuses to produce
>> > it is
>> > a bit disconcerting.  His alibi: that people mock and deride him when he
>> > posts the pictures.  If anything he will be mocked if he doesn't post
>> > the
>> > pictures.
>>
>> Not-so-hypothetical situation:
>>
>> A amateur photograph is presented.  Taken in a room of any abandoned
>> house, there is an artifact of light to one side that looks remarkably
>> like a see-through woman in an old fashioned dress.
>>
>> The believer will point out all the reasons, some very logical, why
>> this is a picture of a ghost.  The skeptic will point out all the
>> reasons, some very logical, why it is some flare or flaw in the film
>> or something and therefore not a ghost.
>>
>> Neither will convince the other, no matter how long they discuss.
>> Why?  Because they each see through their own prejudices and beliefs.
>> They each see their own truth.
>
>   just a quick point... its an asymmetrical conflict.  On one hand you have
> an 'official' investigation with a (semi) consistent story and credible
> official testimony.  On the other hand you have a mob of angry theorists
> speaking at varying levels of anonymity, some which may be correct, all
> being considered as one group that shares the same level of credibility.  I
> certainly feel there is some kind of subterfuge going on here, but that
> doesn't mean that I agree with every person who disagrees with the 911
> Commission Report.
>
>> Now to the topic at hand:  While I too question and wonder about all
>> the events surrounding 9/11/2001, I generally think the people on the
>> two extremes of the discussions will never reconcile.  And, no matter
>> the evidence presented, including silly government actions like
>> confiscating video and film, very few will ever change sides or
>> convince one to believe the other story.
>>
>> If Charles does or does not produce photos, it will do little to
>> decide the debate here or in the world at large.
>
>   Given that he did just post his pictures... the fact remains there is no
> compelling evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon.  Any reasoning
> individual would question the fact that something as big as a plane would
> likely leave incontrovertible evidence if it struck such an important
> building in such a crowded area.  Charles claims he did see a plane, and one
> interesting thing I just noticed on the CNN video- this person is saying the
> the plane 'stopped short' of the Pentagon, so does seem to agree that a
> plane was there as Charles corroborates.
>
>
>>
>>  The believers will
>> continue to believe and the skeptics won't.  And if emotions run high
>> in an unproductive debate the only result will be broken
>> relationships.
>
>   There is a controversy, and there is a truth behind it. -jmz
>
>
> --
> "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV
> will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein
>
> - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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