David Schwartz you are one of the smartest guys I know, I have deep
respect for you. It is very disappointing that we are polar opposites
when it comes to politics and religion.
In reading this post I am biting my tongue. I would ask that we all
refrain from getting into political discourse.
I have lots of LAMP questions and all of you on this list have something
to offer.
As mentioned in a post yesterday I might currently be the most active
member of this list. As said I have tons of LAMP questions. For
On 2025-01-26 03:51, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 25 Jan 2025 12:44:19
>> -0700
>>
>>> And when claiming ChatGPT is giving you unbiased information
>>> about
>>> politics, especially anything that involves Trump, you’re
>>> fooling
>>> yourself. Trump says whatever he wants and doesn’t care because
>>> he
>>> conned the SCOTUS into ruling that he has “absolute immunity”.
>>
>> See. I knew the original post would come to the preceding.
>>
>> SteveT
>
> I guess that means you will NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances,
> complain about the shift happening on large social media platforms to
> stop fact-checking things.
>
> Because what we call the “truth” today is now a matter of
> political convenience and leverage rather than rooted in anything
> based in fact.
>
> And if facts and truth are unrooted, then why should you expect
> anything on a platform like ChatGPT to be any different?
>
> Remember that this whole conversation started out with an assertion
> that ChatGPT is a BETTER SOURCE OF FACTS AND TRUTH than traditional
> news media. For media that cares about the FACTS and it’s own
> INTEGRITY, then I’d say that’s total BS. My experience with these
> AI platforms is that it’s VERY BUGGY in terms of accuracy.
> Unfortunately, if you aren’t familiar with the subject matter,
> you’re not going to know that. Or even if you are but you trust it
> and don’t bother reviewing the material with a critical eye.
>
> FWIW, I was having an interesting conversation with ChatGPT about a
> variety of financial topics, and at one point it showed a split-screen
> type of display and asked my opinion about which response I thought
> was better — the one on the left or the one on the right. It was the
> same basic info just presented differently.
>
> i chose the one on the right, even though it had a blatent error in it
> that was displayed correct on the left side:
>
> In a bullet item that related to a corporation making a loan to you as
> an owner/employee, it said this regarding the interest paid on the
> loan:
>
>> _You repay the loan with interest, and the business can even deduct
>> the interest as a business expense!_
>
> In fact, this was the most BLATENT error I found during the rather
> lengthy discussion we had, but hardly the only error I encountered. (I
> caught over a dozen, and I’m not a CPA or even an accountant.)
>
> As far as people who like to wave stinky allegations about “the
> Biden crime family” taking a $10M bribe” — the one that a Senate
> investigation turned up nothing but a guy who lied repeatedly to the
> FBI, then owned-up and SAID IT WAS ALL A LIE — and yet don’t even
> wince when someone mentions that Trump’s son-in-law — with
> absolutely zero experience doing financial management — was handed
> $2 BILLION to manage and given a 1.25% management fee ($25M), then I
> rest my case.
>
> NEITHER OF THESE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS IS FACTUALLY DISPUTABLE. THE
> FORMER IS A BLATENT LIE THAT’S REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS IF IT’S
> TRUE, AND THE LATTER IS 100% FACTUAL THAT NOBODY WHO REPEATS THE
> FORMER LIE WILL **EVER** DISCUSS!
>
> Facts don’t matter any more. It’s that simple. They're merely a
> lever to be used by political opportunists.
>
> Just for contrast, the alleged $10M “bribe” paid to “Biden crime
> family” is just a bit smaller than the ~$25M fee — paid ANNUALLY
> — to the “Trump crime family” as part of a totally inexplicable
> transaction that nobody in their right mind could rationalize given
> the other “facts” in play (that are also totally ignored).
>
> I’M NOT TALKING POLITICS HERE!!!!
>
> This thred is about one simple question: DO FACTS STILL MATTER?
>
> There are people who will go to their death bed swearing that the LIE
> in the case above is more compelling than the TRUTH. I know that.
> Y’all know that. And I’m sure someone here might even be tempted
> to try defending it. (That would only reinforce what I just said
> here.)
>
> If 40 milloin people “can’t be wrong” about this, then who are
> we to say ChatGPT isn't 100% factual AND more accurate than
> traditional news outlets — in spite of the clear evidence to the
> contrary?
>
> If you want to argue politics, then declare where you stand FIRST
> about whether FACTS MATTER TO YOU.
>
> Because if they do, then don’t waste our time with lies.
>
> Most political discussions today are a waste of time because they have
> become rooted in lies. And I am not interested in debating lies.
>
> -David Schwartz
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