On 2023-07-27 19:13, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> It’s very likely that these motherboards are, in fact, built by
> Intel for Dell.
Interesting.
>
> Intel is the worlds largest maker of IBM-PC type motherboards from
> what I’ve heard.
Makes Sense.
>
> Does “building from scratch” mean you’re going to do your own
> PCP layout, design, and have one built-to-spec?
No... Yikes, I do not have those skills. Assemble is more accurate. I
think I should start with the CPU I want and go from there. Over the
counter retail parts.
>
> BTW, I just saw something about a modular notebook computer that’s
> being released. I saw a video about it. I’m not sure it solves your
> problem, but it does look interesting.
Would it be possible to share a link?
>
> Also, since Apple stopped making their motherboards upgradable, their
> profits have jumped. The avg sales price has gone up b/c people are
> buying larger configurations to future-proof their machines, which is
> kind of dumb if you think about it. Larger memory modules are always
> going to be more expensive today than in 2-3 years from now for the
> same specs, and you don’t really need them today. Which is exactly
> why Apple’s profits have jumped.
Interesting.
>
> Just b/c the logic in the core chips can handle more RAM or SSD is no
> reason to allow them to take that much. They want to be sure you have
> a reason to upgrade the mobo in a few years rather than just more
> memory.
I think this is Dell's business model. They sell less expensive
computers that do not take full advantage of the CPU ... want more pay
more.
The first time I ran into this problem was when I wanted to add a second
monitor and discovered I has to add a daughter board (is that what they
are called?) then the computer was able to drive up to 3 monitors.
During this upgrade I was warned to not over do it because Dell used 300
watt power supplies in their cheaper computers.
Dell has bit me twice (that I know of) so it is time to move on.
>
> FWIW, I’ve got an 8GB DIMM I took out of my Mac Mini when I replaced
> it with a 32GB DIMM, if it helps. These things are practically
> worthless on eBay.
Thanks. I'm not sure what I would do with it.
>
> For semiconductor makers, especially where it concerns integration of
> a lot of components, their business models have always been some
> flavor of “reducing their customer’s time-to-market”. Intel sold
> chip sets and development systems first. Then they provided
> “reference designs”, then Gerber plots for PCBs, and finally just
> started making the motherboards themselves — but that was at a time
> when 90% of the computers being sold had the same physical form-factor
> (so-called IBM PCs). Then laptops showed up, and then notebooks. In
> order for Intel to keep getting their most advanced chips into so many
> computers, they had to make it a no-brainer to work with them to buy
> motherboards directly from them. That’s so when they formally
> announced a new chip, you could go out and buy a computer from two or
> three vendors THAT DAY that had that chip in them, rather than waiting
> most of a year for computer vendors to build their own PCBs from
> scratch.
WOW interesting.
>
> The switch to mobile devices that use really high integration chip
> sets and ARM-based CPUs has put a kink into Intel’s plans. And with
> Apple switching to their own CPUs across their entire product line,
> that has hurt them as well. That’s why they’re looking to have one
> of the new east-valley Fabs become an ARM foundry.
I heard or read someplace that AMD is making better CPUs - is that true?
Keith
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have run into issues where cpu can handle more ram than the
>> motherboard can recognize. I have also had success using more than
>> OEM specs
>> bios upgrade may also increase motherboard ram capacity trial and
>> error has and does work sometimes if you really need the extra ram.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 3:40 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>
>>> Interesting experience.
>>>
>>> I discovered if one is using Intel, one can look up what RAM that
>>> chip
>>> supports. Windows reported which CPU I have. Intel on-line told
>>> me
>>> what type of RAM and the upper limit.
>>>
>>> Interesting enough the CPU will handle up to 64GB of RAM, however
>>> Dell
>>> told me the box will only use up to 32GB of RAM.***
>>>
>>> My box came with DDR4-2666 and the CPU really wants DDR4-2400.
>>>
>>> I just ordered 32GB of DDR4-2400 from Newegg for $62 tax, title,
>>> license, shipping, and doc fee.
>>>
>>> *** This is the second upgrade where I have run into Dell limiting
>>>
>>> resources. Last time the computer would only support 1 monitor
>>> while
>>> the CPU would run 3. BTW this box holds only one HD... I guess if
>>> I
>>> want more I will need to add an aftermarket "cage".... If the
>>> motherboard will support a second drive... Yikes!!
>>>
>>> I'm at the point where I am going to start building from scratch
>>> in the
>>> future.....
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Keith
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