On 2023-07-27 19:13, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > It’s very likely that these motherboards are, in fact, built by > Intel for Dell. Interesting. > > Intel is the worlds largest maker of IBM-PC type motherboards from > what I’ve heard. Makes Sense. > > Does “building from scratch” mean you’re going to do your own > PCP layout, design, and have one built-to-spec? No... Yikes, I do not have those skills. Assemble is more accurate. I think I should start with the CPU I want and go from there. Over the counter retail parts. > > BTW, I just saw something about a modular notebook computer that’s > being released. I saw a video about it. I’m not sure it solves your > problem, but it does look interesting. Would it be possible to share a link? > > Also, since Apple stopped making their motherboards upgradable, their > profits have jumped. The avg sales price has gone up b/c people are > buying larger configurations to future-proof their machines, which is > kind of dumb if you think about it. Larger memory modules are always > going to be more expensive today than in 2-3 years from now for the > same specs, and you don’t really need them today. Which is exactly > why Apple’s profits have jumped. Interesting. > > Just b/c the logic in the core chips can handle more RAM or SSD is no > reason to allow them to take that much. They want to be sure you have > a reason to upgrade the mobo in a few years rather than just more > memory. I think this is Dell's business model. They sell less expensive computers that do not take full advantage of the CPU ... want more pay more. The first time I ran into this problem was when I wanted to add a second monitor and discovered I has to add a daughter board (is that what they are called?) then the computer was able to drive up to 3 monitors. During this upgrade I was warned to not over do it because Dell used 300 watt power supplies in their cheaper computers. Dell has bit me twice (that I know of) so it is time to move on. > > FWIW, I’ve got an 8GB DIMM I took out of my Mac Mini when I replaced > it with a 32GB DIMM, if it helps. These things are practically > worthless on eBay. Thanks. I'm not sure what I would do with it. > > For semiconductor makers, especially where it concerns integration of > a lot of components, their business models have always been some > flavor of “reducing their customer’s time-to-market”. Intel sold > chip sets and development systems first. Then they provided > “reference designs”, then Gerber plots for PCBs, and finally just > started making the motherboards themselves — but that was at a time > when 90% of the computers being sold had the same physical form-factor > (so-called IBM PCs). Then laptops showed up, and then notebooks. In > order for Intel to keep getting their most advanced chips into so many > computers, they had to make it a no-brainer to work with them to buy > motherboards directly from them. That’s so when they formally > announced a new chip, you could go out and buy a computer from two or > three vendors THAT DAY that had that chip in them, rather than waiting > most of a year for computer vendors to build their own PCBs from > scratch. WOW interesting. > > The switch to mobile devices that use really high integration chip > sets and ARM-based CPUs has put a kink into Intel’s plans. And with > Apple switching to their own CPUs across their entire product line, > that has hurt them as well. That’s why they’re looking to have one > of the new east-valley Fabs become an ARM foundry. I heard or read someplace that AMD is making better CPUs - is that true? Keith > > -David Schwartz > >> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> I have run into issues where cpu can handle more ram than the >> motherboard can recognize. I have also had success using more than >> OEM specs >> bios upgrade may also increase motherboard ram capacity trial and >> error has and does work sometimes if you really need the extra ram. >> >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 3:40 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for your feedback. >>> >>> Interesting experience. >>> >>> I discovered if one is using Intel, one can look up what RAM that >>> chip >>> supports. Windows reported which CPU I have. Intel on-line told >>> me >>> what type of RAM and the upper limit. >>> >>> Interesting enough the CPU will handle up to 64GB of RAM, however >>> Dell >>> told me the box will only use up to 32GB of RAM.*** >>> >>> My box came with DDR4-2666 and the CPU really wants DDR4-2400. >>> >>> I just ordered 32GB of DDR4-2400 from Newegg for $62 tax, title, >>> license, shipping, and doc fee. >>> >>> *** This is the second upgrade where I have run into Dell limiting >>> >>> resources. Last time the computer would only support 1 monitor >>> while >>> the CPU would run 3. BTW this box holds only one HD... I guess if >>> I >>> want more I will need to add an aftermarket "cage".... If the >>> motherboard will support a second drive... Yikes!! >>> >>> I'm at the point where I am going to start building from scratch >>> in the >>> future..... >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> Keith > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss