I've been using vultr.com for many years now. $5 a month for a virtual
server on which I did a full LAMP installation, etc.
*Daniel P. Stasinski*
daniel@GenericInbox.com
✞ *Jesus Is King *✞
On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 9:08 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> I don’t know how helpful this is, but … the best time to buy hosting is
> Black Friday.
>
> For points (1) and (3), this might help.
>
> First, if I’m understanding (3) correctly, I think you want to be looking
> at a “Reseller” type of account. By itself, cPanel is for ONE
> account/domain. They have a thing called a “Reseller” panel, WHM (Web
> Hosting Manager), that lets you set up some number of independent cPanel
> accounts. Ignore the name, it’s just a way to manage multiple cPanel
> accounts if you need them. If you want to build and manage multiple sites
> for yourself and/or clients, this is the way to go.
>
> If you want to actually BE a hosting “reseller”, then you’ll also need
> WHMCS or something like that to handle your billing. Some places include it
> with WHM, most offer it as an option. If you don’t need billing, save your
> money and don’t get it.
>
> Sometimes some places offer big discounts, but the only thing consistent
> with most of them is they offer SOME discount BUT … it only applies to your
> FIRST INVOICE. Meaning that if you have a monthly plan, it only applies to
> the first month’s bill. But if you get a 3-year plan, it’s for the whole
> 3-year term.
>
> On Black Friday, they’ll usually offer a plan upgrade for free PLUS the
> discount. So you’d get a 30-50 site reseller plan for the price of a 15-25
> site plan. Or on a single account, they’d offer the next step up, like
> Silver instead of Bronze for the Bronze price.
>
> I personally prefer cPanel and WHM, mostly b/c I’ve been using them for a
> very long time and am used to how they work.
>
> However, there are tweaks that hosting providers can make that are often
> done to reduce their support overhead rather than help customers get our
> jobs done better. One case i point is NameCheap — I love them for domain
> registrations, but their hosting SUCKS! They have so many weird
> restrictions compared to other cPanel/WHM providers that it’s silly. When
> I’d ask, their canned reply was “for security reasons”. I’m sorry, but
> disabling the ability to click on the little cPanel icon in a row in WHM to
> open cPanel for that account does not strike me as security related. Doing
> so is quick and easy, but it restricts what you can do to a certain extent
> on the target account, because you’re not logged-in as the account holder —
> and I suspect your average user doesn’t understand that. As a result, it
> probably increaes their support tickets, so they disabled it. Several
> cPanel features are limited or blocked as well for the same excuse. I’ve
> never encountered this anywhere else.
>
> I was at one place for a while, Eleven2, and they were pretty good, but on
> Sept 2nd of last year, they suddenly switched-out cPanel/WHM for a totally
> different control panel! It was totally unannounced, with no advance
> warning, no way to go back, and I had problems for over a month. I paid for
> one year of cPanel/WHM hosting, and they just took it away and replaced it
> with something else. No apologies, no discussion, no warnings. Just “poof”
> and here ya go.
>
> Come Black Friday, I found a great deal on hosting from
> WebHostingWorld.net
> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=AcWaulsunJt9eG0Auu-2F5Np6-2F3oGGuYnwgxf6-2FaQRaGhad1yt-2BlGgs15kqV9t7B-2BXVgUR_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GYll7-2F4OY29cGZk3ieWyXnMO2gu0nMbeM2Kox3Nh-2BSK2X-2FmaTGPISJv2S4693eQXLPxbGUIf5KMircqHR5503Z5I0m7il8MXMTSeUwrlVLZjgb8mZhPuRdSz-2FazA60q4Ur8ggC8zkVSO0ljt5jgtoEHa9ArtiLbUMj-2BrV1xC2zgs-3D> and
> paid for a year of SSD-based Reseller (cPanel/WHM) access with 50 sites for
> a 50% discount — it worked out to about $12/mo. Screaming deal.
>
> Most cPanel/WHM hosts have raised their prices to reflect what cPanel has
> done. So a 15-user WHM account works out to $20/mo or so.
>
> The nice thing about cPanel is that if you want to change hosts, the new
> ones can move your old account over in about 30 seconds — it’s built into
> the Admin side of the platform. The only shortcoming is that it messes up
> whatever Packages you have defined. Most of the support folks don’t even
> really know what this means, but you’ll find out the first time you try
> adding another account in WHM and the only Package options you have are the
> defaults that WHM offers — yours got lost in the move, but they still show
> up on the old accounts.
>
> I was with HostGator for quite a while, but after they got bought by the
> “Borg” company buying up so many other hosting providers, their support
> went to crap. Many others as well. Stay away from the whole bunch of them.
>
> As for (2), most will NOT give you SSH access. PERIOD. I did ask my
> current guys and they said they’d hook me up with a restricted shell on a
> per-account basis.
>
> That said, you really only need it if you’re going to install some kind of
> script that requires you go do it from a command shell.
>
> cPanel has a File Manager in it that lets you do pretty much anything you
> can do in a Windows Explorer or Mac Finder window, including editing
> .access files.
>
> I also have a Windows VPN hosted at VirMach. They’re ok, and I got a great
> price — I think it was a New Year’s sale.
>
> A lot of hosting places are totally automating their support, which is a
> PITA if you run into any real problems. They love to tout their Support,
> but they’re ALL cutting back. If you want REAL support, you’ll want to get
> a “Managed Hosting” account.
>
> I can set you up with a managed Wordpress account and tons of premium
> plugins for $50/mo. I don’t have a sales page for it yet, tho. (It’s
> through WPMUDev.)
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 3, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am looking at cheap shared hosting providers.
>
> I found two so far... Bluehost and HostGator.
>
> I used Hostgator in the past and it was good and then really bad, and it
> has been a while. I eventually moved on. I have not used Bluehost and the
> reviews are mixed.
>
> I have three requirements:
>
> 1) must have a control panel.
> 2) must have ssh access. Not sure this is really necessary because, off
> the top of my head, all I need is to be able to edit the .htaccess file
> which I can do local and FTP up... or the control panel might have a built
> in editor. I probably need access to SSH so I can set file permissions.
> 3) must be highly discounted when buying in bulk.
>
> Any other cheap hosting providers you would recommend?
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Keith
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