I'm all for JC. I think the University model is 100+ years outdated. I
do not want to be a statesman... I want to make a living.
On 2022-12-23 09:45, Phil Waclawski wrote:
> I have been teaching PHP for over a decade at MCC. I feel that CIS is
> focused on hands on work that is as practical as possible.
>
> Is a college degree needed for every job? No, of course not. But for a
> lot of people, the organized structure, along with tips and tricks
> from somebody who works with this stuff can be very helpful.
>
> And whether it is fair or not, sometimes you need the degree just to
> get into the interview.
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, 08:34 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Trent,
>>
>> I apologize up front.
>>
>> Question : What do you want to accomplish?
>>
>> I know my experience is anecdotal... And I am anti-university to
>> some
>> degree. Everything I have been doing for the past 20 plus years has
>>
>> been self taught. Surprisingly PHP is not used or taught at the
>> University level for some reason. And PHP is used in some form on
>> almost 80% of the web.
>>
>> I learned to program at the JC.
>>
>> I have both an AAS and a Bachelors degree. I did not start college
>> until after four years in the military. Almost everything I needed
>> to
>> learn in college was learned at the JC. Going to the University was
>> a
>> waste of my time. I acquired debt and lost momentum.
>>
>> I went to the U because I thought they were going to teach me the
>> secret
>> sauce - was none. I'm not sure why I had to take 8 units of
>> humanities.
>> The only class of value was a 300 level economics class.
>>
>> Today we have this Inter-Web thing. Almost everything is at our
>> fingertips. I do lots of searches everyday. And we have these nice
>>
>> user groups like PLUG that can help as well. Last year when I wanted
>> to
>> create a home web server I joined the BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot
>> list
>> serves.
>>
>> When I started programming a BS or BA was expected. Today spend
>> some
>> time in the basement doing earnest self study and in 6 months or
>> less
>> you can be setting in a cube someplace.
>>
>> If you know what you want to do find a couple hiring managers
>> willing to
>> spend 5 minutes a week to guide you into that niche. Next thing you
>>
>> know you can be an intern then a full-time or part-time, if that is
>> your
>> thing, IT worker.
>>
>> My point going to college to get a degree is not the best approach
>> in my
>> mind. Employers are looking for skills not degrees.
>>
>> And for what it is worth I think it is great the the JCs are offing
>> a
>> bachelors degree. I hope this will bring the universities back into
>>
>> alignment with reality.
>>
>> In 1978 the UofA was charging $275 a semester.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On 2022-12-23 00:11, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Does anyone have any news about the Programming and Analytics 4
>> year
>>> program they are going to start in Fall 2023 at Mesa CC? Will it
>> be
>>> a CS or CIS program, or neither? I got a call and was told it's
>> got
>>> preliminary accreditation, but the MCCCD board doesn't even know
>> if
>>> the fees will be different from the standard 2-year degree tuition
>>> rates. I expect them to be significantly lower than the state
>>> university tuition rates, as that's rather a major point of the
>> whole
>>> four-year community college initiative.
>>>
>>> Trent
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