I'm all for JC. I think the University model is 100+ years outdated. I do not want to be a statesman... I want to make a living. On 2022-12-23 09:45, Phil Waclawski wrote: > I have been teaching PHP for over a decade at MCC. I feel that CIS is > focused on hands on work that is as practical as possible. > > Is a college degree needed for every job? No, of course not. But for a > lot of people, the organized structure, along with tips and tricks > from somebody who works with this stuff can be very helpful. > > And whether it is fair or not, sometimes you need the degree just to > get into the interview. > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, 08:34 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> Hi Trent, >> >> I apologize up front. >> >> Question : What do you want to accomplish? >> >> I know my experience is anecdotal... And I am anti-university to >> some >> degree. Everything I have been doing for the past 20 plus years has >> >> been self taught. Surprisingly PHP is not used or taught at the >> University level for some reason. And PHP is used in some form on >> almost 80% of the web. >> >> I learned to program at the JC. >> >> I have both an AAS and a Bachelors degree. I did not start college >> until after four years in the military. Almost everything I needed >> to >> learn in college was learned at the JC. Going to the University was >> a >> waste of my time. I acquired debt and lost momentum. >> >> I went to the U because I thought they were going to teach me the >> secret >> sauce - was none. I'm not sure why I had to take 8 units of >> humanities. >> The only class of value was a 300 level economics class. >> >> Today we have this Inter-Web thing. Almost everything is at our >> fingertips. I do lots of searches everyday. And we have these nice >> >> user groups like PLUG that can help as well. Last year when I wanted >> to >> create a home web server I joined the BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot >> list >> serves. >> >> When I started programming a BS or BA was expected. Today spend >> some >> time in the basement doing earnest self study and in 6 months or >> less >> you can be setting in a cube someplace. >> >> If you know what you want to do find a couple hiring managers >> willing to >> spend 5 minutes a week to guide you into that niche. Next thing you >> >> know you can be an intern then a full-time or part-time, if that is >> your >> thing, IT worker. >> >> My point going to college to get a degree is not the best approach >> in my >> mind. Employers are looking for skills not degrees. >> >> And for what it is worth I think it is great the the JCs are offing >> a >> bachelors degree. I hope this will bring the universities back into >> >> alignment with reality. >> >> In 1978 the UofA was charging $275 a semester. >> >> Keith >> >> On 2022-12-23 00:11, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> Does anyone have any news about the Programming and Analytics 4 >> year >>> program they are going to start in Fall 2023 at Mesa CC? Will it >> be >>> a CS or CIS program, or neither? I got a call and was told it's >> got >>> preliminary accreditation, but the MCCCD board doesn't even know >> if >>> the fees will be different from the standard 2-year degree tuition >>> rates. I expect them to be significantly lower than the state >>> university tuition rates, as that's rather a major point of the >> whole >>> four-year community college initiative. >>> >>> Trent >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss