> Not all newbies. The ones who should go back to windows are the ones
not willing to learn Linux. Linux was never intended for the dweeb
whose computer interactions are email, web, and porn. Linux has always
been, and continues to be, for those who want to boss their computers,
not for those who want their computers to boss them.
All hail the grey beard! All ye who do not master your computer, run
and flee!! See the blood and terror ye have wrought whilst ye ignored
the mighty WM. Ye never truly belonged in the first place...
Seriously though, that's not why I'm here. I don't think what DE/WM
you use, or whether you use systemd, init, or have your own set of
scripts that are written in assembly and COBOL, it's not the point.
It might have been the point to some, but never to all.
I got into Linux because it was about choice, it was about what worked for
me
and my needs, and not what the corporate overlords have deemed
or what I could afford. I had crappy hardware, I wanted to learn about
computers, and Linux was my solution, and the freedom it provided
and the doors it opened started me down a path that has provided
jobs and now a career. That's the freedom I was looking for.
Now *gasp* I run MacOS - even though I could have run Ubuntu or Arch,
because so many of my tools just worked and needed less config.
I still use Linux heavily for work, I'm still in the shell everyday, I
still
customize the things that matter to me, but I also just throw resources
at problems because I don't want to deal with them right now.
Congrats on the channel Keith! Hope it's a success for you!!
Personally couldn't keep going on in PHP, after 2015, it was
a nervous breakdown waiting to happen (again). I'm glad you've
been able to make it work for you as a career though, that's
pretty inspiring :)
Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 11:29 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> Wait. No shameless youtube channel plug?
> all joking aside. What is your channel name?
>
> Matthew
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:36 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So to put this to rest, I broke out my old cheep dell laptop that is
>> about 6 or 7 years old. It already had Kubuntu 20.4 installed. I do not
>> recall installing Kubuntu on that laptop. I've been playing with it for
>> a day or so. I am very much impressed.
>>
>> I pulled out my old Linux desktop and will be putting an SSD drive into
>> it and installing Kubuntu on it. It is an i5 with 4 cores and 4
>> threads. I upgraded it years ago to 16Gb of RAM.
>>
>> I expect Kubuntu will serve my needs.
>>
>> I fall into the camp of I just want my computer to work. And I would
>> like to know more. I'm an old guy and do not have the energy I used to.
>> I have a lot of goals and things I would like to accomplish.
>>
>> I prefer Linux over Microsoft. I like making browser based business web
>> apps using PHP/MySQL.
>>
>> My ultimate goal is to get my YouTube channel and blog going.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone for all of your input. This was a good thread. I
>> sill have a ton of questions. I use Linux to create LAMP servers. I
>> plan on developing a working knowledge of NGINX (LEMP). I'm not a sys
>> admin, I'm a programmer. Given all that I would like to learn what I do
>> not know and strengthen what I do know.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2022-10-26 00:05, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:30:34 -0700
>> >
>> >> I don't really have the time to reply to all of this,
>> >
>> > And yet here you are.
>> >
>> >> but I did want
>> >> to reply to a couple of things.
>> >>
>> >>> Let them go back to windows. Not everybody belongs in the Linux
>> >>> world.
>> >>
>> >> This. This right here is why you shouldn't be giving advice to
>> >> newbies. This is the wrong attitude to have if you want to new people
>> >> involved with Linux.
>> >
>> > Not all newbies. The ones who should go back to windows are the ones
>> > not willing to learn Linux. Linux was never intended for the dweeb
>> > whose computer interactions are email, web, and porn. Linux has always
>> > been, and continues to be, for those who want to boss their computers,
>> > not for those who want their computers to boss them.
>> >
>> > Did you just emerge from 1999, when we thought everyone would be using
>> > Linux on the desktop and laptop in a couple years? It's 2022, and Linux
>> > slaughtered Microsoft and Apple (and proprietary Unix) on the server,
>> > but still has only a dedicated core of desktop users. The KDE, Gnome
>> > and systemd you tout erect barriers to those desktop users who want to
>> > boss their computers, and who want at least some POSIX.
>> >
>> > And don't forget that the lead developer on the systemd project now
>> > works for Microsoft. What could *possibly* go wrong?
>> >
>> >
>> >> New people are a good thing, they have new ideas
>> >> and new directions that they want to go, and will take things to
>> >> places never thought before. To push them out will create a dying
>> >> community.
>> >
>> > Like I said, I recommend working with users willing to use Linux.
>> >
>> >> For new people, easier is better, hence GNOME or KDE being a good
>> >> recommendation.
>> >
>> > There's absolutely nothing easy or intuitive about Gnome3. If you want
>> > easy and intuitive, LXDE and LXQt are what you want.
>> > Have you ever used them? XFCE is also in that category, although on
>> > Linux (as opposed to OpenBSD) I've found XFCE glitchy, and XFCE isn't
>> > light enough for an anemic computer, which is the computer a lot of
>> > Windows users have available to dabble with Linux.
>> >
>> >> Once they get their footing then they can go and try
>> >> more esoteric things as they get comfortable. Having them try to use
>> >> straight openbox with a custom configuration is NOT the right advice
>> >> for a new person.
>> >
>> > Please remember, I recommended LXDE and LXQt. My point of Openbox was
>> > to say that if you want an interface that completely stays out of your
>> > way the way you say Gnome3 does, my interface does that.
>> >>
>> >> Lastly, yes I did mean "integrated" and not "dependent" or
>> >> "entangled".
>> >
>> > No matter what you *meant*, "integrated" implies entangled.
>> >
>> >> GNOME 3/4 in no way, shape, or form, REQUIRES systemd.
>> >> You don't have to look far to prove this as it runs on FreeBSD, which
>> >> is systemd-free. And no you don't have to jump through hoops to get it
>> >> working, you install it and enable a couple services and poof it works
>> >> just as well as on any other Linux system. GNOME also a first-class
>> >> desktop environment on Void.
>> >
>> > Well, the Gentoo/Funtoo people sure had to jump through hoops to get
>> > Gnome working with OpenRC, but yeah, you're right, as shown at
>> >
>> https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All¬basedon=None&desktop=GNOME&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=Not+systemd&status=Active#simple
>> >
>> > Therefore, I can recommend Void to somebody who wants Gnome.
>> >
>> > SteveT
>> >
>> > Steve Litt
>> > Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
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