Thanks!!
On 2022-07-24 10:02, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Since it appears that GD isn’t being helpful, get a copyright lawyer
> (you might even be able to find one on legalshield.com [3] for cheap)
> and go after both the new host owner and GD for a DMCA violation. My
> experience has been if such is done and it looks like it might be a
> good case, the hosting provider will settle with you real damned fast
> in order to avoid a court case.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Legal Servicing
> Dept.
>
>> On Jul 23, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-07-22 23:05, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>>> TL;DR Have your friend contact GoDaddy, ideally by logging into
>>> their
>>> existing account and contacting support from there, and request
>>> they
>>> delete all content as you no longer control the site and they no
>>> longer have any right to continue serving that content.
>> Contact with GD was made. They are no help.
>>
>>> Most likely, the new owner simply didn't make any change to the
>>> name
>>> server entries when they bought it (domain gamblers tend to do
>>> that a
>>> lot).
>>
>>> Basically, the name still resolves to the same site host, and the
>>> purchaser is waiting for your friend to beg them to "return their
>>> domain" so as to keep the site (and presumably the business)
>>> running.
>>> Some just kind of wait for contact, others will wait about 90
>>> days,
>>> then send email to the website warning of a deadline and demanding
>>> heavy payment to not redirect it to a parking page or something
>>> similar.
>>
>> Name Servers:ns11.domaincontrol.com [1] and ns12.domaincontrol.com
>> [2] <- that looks like GoDaddy.
>>
>> His hosting expired a long time ago.
>>
>> The new guy getting the website seems fishy to me.
>>
>> My friend paid GD to make contact with the domain owner to see if he
>> would sell. GD was not able to make any progress - current owner
>> does not respond to emails and the domain has privacy.
>>
>>> A lot depends on who the host provider is. If, as in this case,
>>> the
>>> host provider is the same as the domain provider (side note, don't
>>> do
>>> that in the future; always separate the two so nobody controls
>>> both
>>> but you), then you may have some issues, but at least in theory
>>> your
>>> friend can, at minimum, ask that the hosted content (which they
>>> still
>>> own and on which they hold copyright) be removed.
>>> If the host provider is separate from the domain provider, then
>>> you
>>> could either arrange back payment and regain control, then point a
>>> new
>>> domain to the site, or ask the host to remove the content (again
>>> based
>>> on ownership and copyright).
>>> In this case (with GoDaddy hosting both), I hope your friend has
>>> backups of the site and can redeploy elsewhere, and I hope GoDaddy
>>> does the right thing relatively quickly (sometimes they can be
>>> difficult in this regard).
>>> This doesn't apply in your case, but one other, somewhat ugly,
>>> possibility does exist. Some host providers use a domain
>>> challenge to
>>> identify the site owner if they lose access otherwise (they have
>>> you
>>> put a code in a dns record to prove you are you).
>>> Those are particularly pernicious as anyone with control of the
>>> domain actually can steal the site and content by claiming to have
>>> forgotten a password (which can result in theft of an entire
>>> business
>>> identity for purely online businesses, and is a form of identity
>>> theft).
>>> Always worth checking if your hosting provider uses that option,
>>> and
>>> ask them to either administratively disable that (permanently), or
>>> move to a different hosting provider (assuming you can).
>>> Note: Domain challenge to prove ownership of a domain, separate
>>> from ownership of the hosting account, is totally normal and
>>> reasonable, I'm referencing here using domain challenge to prove
>>> identity and ownership of the separate hosting account.
>>> Hopefully that helps.
>>> Joseph Sinclair
>>> P.S. The domain origination date does not change unless the domain
>>> is
>>> returned to an unregistered state.
>>
>> Ok that is some good info. it seems this domain "expired" then GD
>> held onto it until someone else bought it.
>>
>> I have heard that the registers can hold a domain for up to a year
>> w/o paying the reg fee.
>>
>> When a domain is auctioned, it is
>> never "unregistered", the registration simply transfers after
>> GoDaddy
>> takes over the registration for non-payment.
>> On 2022-07-22 06:45 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have a friend who owned http://www.nationwidedr.com/ . It expired
>> along with his hosting while he was in the hospital.
>> I get the domain was available to be registered.
>> Here is the interesting part. Somehow the new domain owner also was
>> able to get his WordPress website complete with all of his business
>> content. It appears not to have been changed.
>> The other part is the domain shows it was registered in 2002, the
>> original date it was registered. I thought when a domain expires
>> and is re-registered by another it will show it was original
>> registered on that second date. Am I wrong?
>> Thoughts on how the new registrant got a hold of my friends
>> WordPress website?
>> The domain and hosting were at GoDaddy.
>> Something seems fishy - am I wrong?
>> Thanks!!
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