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Author: Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
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Subject: Re: A/V over ethernet?
Michael I think has a rather close concept with it. You can get an rpii
with a poe hat and with a couple of packages you have a network controlled
sound or video device. With all sorts of options.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 8:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> wrote:

> I think what you want is essentially a usb hub to network to usb hub in
> the middle, or some middleware. Not sure this exists out of box.
>
> Doing some quick googling, as I know usb-to-network protocols exist, seems
> there are a few options. This shows a company selling software to do this,
> or also the open-source way (and why they are better). Admittedly kinda
> cool actually.
>
> https://www.flexihub.com/usb-over-ip-raspberry-pi/
>
> Basically use a cheap rpi as an endpoint, and a server software to make
> the rpi's usb ports and connected device look elsewhere on a client
> workstation/server. You'd then have a workstation/server that would
> connect to that rpi as a usb server of sorts, and make a virtual usb port
> look local to your OS. As I said before, Belkin made something like this,
> but was crap software and like a 100 bucks for the usb remote "hub".
>
> So say you had a usb camera you wanted to "extend", you'd hook the camera
> to the rpi, rpi to network, computer to network, and configure computer
> software to connect to rpi for "virtual" usb ports on it. Your computer
> would then see the camera over a virtual usb port as though usb direct to
> computer. This could be for a remote mouse, a usb to hdmi video device,
> etc.
>
> I have seen rather dumb usb ''extenders" that are usb in, ethernet out,
> and you connect a few back to back, but these typically aren't "ethernet"
> protocol, rather just using the cat5/6 for copper and some other protocol
> over it, so no switch between, no multi-point, etc. Lots of AV gear like
> this for extension, but not all is "normal" ethernet. The rpi method might
> be good as it gets.
>
> My suggestion is if cameras are of importance, to move to a real ip camera
> that takes poe, and save the middle-man devices, which is what 99% of
> businesses have or are moving to. If other usb devices trying to extend,
> try the rpi methods, as you could even put a poe hat on it then, and any
> other number of modules besides that.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 4:07 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but this is not what I’m looking for.
>>
>> “A/V over ethernet” not an “HDMI extender”.
>>
>> Dante from Audinate makes stuff that does this, but it’s proprietary and
>> rather expensive.
>>
>> https://www.audinate.com/products/manufacturer-products/dante-av-video
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>>
>> I’m looking for a more generic solution, if one exists.
>>
>> A lot of security systems offer them with WiFi cameras, and some use
>> ethernet cables instead of coax.
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Here is a quick example of it. This is full hdmi.
>>
>> Cable Matters Wall Mount HDMI Extender (HDMI Over Ethernet Cable) with
>> TCP/IP Support for 1-to-Many Setup - Up to 300 Feet
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZV04BK/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_g_NCNDZY6Y7ASZQMAPFVKX
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>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 5:16 PM Stephen Partington <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This exists. I have used it before. You looking to send what kind of
>>> signal?1080p or more?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 6:12 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m shooting in the dark here wondering how to solve this. Looking for
>>>> ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Think about multi-port USB hubs for laptops with only a few USB ports .
>>>> . .
>>>>
>>>> A guy I’ve been talking with said he's looking for something like that
>>>> but plugs into the ethernet, not USB, and uses PoE for power.
>>>>
>>>> It’s basically a break-out box that uses wired ethernet to send data to
>>>> some remote spots about 100 M away through a 1GB switch.
>>>>
>>>> His requirements include: audio (mic, headphone), USB video in, USB
>>>> video out, some digital I/Os to turn lights on and off, a couple of spare
>>>> USB ports
>>>>
>>>> The video is streaming 4k, probably H.264; he has the camera and a
>>>> display device, and both work via USB. (There’s a reason he has chosen USB!)
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know if there are simple chips in these sorts of USB
>>>> “splitters” or if they have a CPU like what’s in a Raspberry Pi.
>>>>
>>>> Is this something that an R-Pi can be made to support with some HATs?
>>>>
>>>> In my mind, it should be fairly simple. It’s mostly just acting like a
>>>> router, right?
>>>>
>>>> A separate audio stream on the ethernet could go to a USB port with a
>>>> common “USB Sound Card” where the mic and headphone can be connected.
>>>>
>>>> It’s just “audio over ethernet” and “video over ethernet”, no?
>>>>
>>>> What does that take? Is there hardware that already does it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Dante has a small A/V board to embed in equipment, but you need one on
>>>> each end of a one-way circuit, meaning 4x per connection, and he needs up
>>>> to 8 of these channels.)
>>>>
>>>> -David Schwartz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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