Nice job Eric!! I'm going to print this out and frame it. This is the
side of the debate that is being kept from us.
On 2021-07-27 22:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Yes,
> However, California is also in the midst of a cyclic drought (tree
> ring studies going back nearly 1k years proves this).
>
> Also, California has one of the longest coastlines of any state. One
> last item, how is it that much of the intermountain west (which has
> many thousands of square miles of desert be cooler than California on
> Average?
>
> In point of fact, Arizona often sees higher average tempuratures each
> summer and is one of the few states that see consistently more than
> 140 days a year above 100 F. We are also in the midst of a long period
> drought that started in the middle 1980’s and is continuing. This
> mirrors the previous dry period that started roughly 1,000 years ago
> and lasted some 550 years with a 50 year long mega drought near it’s
> beginning some 980 years ago.
>
> Now, as for carbon footprint, those wind turbines take an enormous
> amount of fossil fuels to create, from the high precision machined
> bearings to the blades that are manufactured with materials that are,
> buy their very nature, not recyclable. They are also very inefficient
> (lower than a typical comparable solar facility with an average of 30%
> efficiency directly converting light to energy. Those very solar
> facilities use panels that are made with highly toxic materials (such
> as cadmium, lead, and selenium among other heavy metals).much of the
> panels are manufactured in china, by workers who are either slave
> labor or poorly paid wage slaves, working in conditions that we don’t
> allow here. The same materials and technologies exist in the very
> computer systems you and I use for emails like this and also are the
> very same systems we use to run Linux on.
>
> So, we can all either sit here and pontificate upon all of this or
> actually take some viable action. The question then becomes, how much
> of this technology are you willing to live without? I know I certainly
> can’t if I want to be able to read my printed mail (not possible for a
> totally blind individual without technology to convert text to
> speech). How about keeping my place cool with a swamp cooler that uses
> an actual scientific advance called Phase duration modulation in order
> to regulate motor speed and reduce current usage. Air conditioning
> would be nice, but costs too much to run. Also, without all this tech,
> paying the bills would take considerably longer, ordering things for
> delivery would require a printed catalogue and a telephone. Want to do
> without technology, say goodbye to your smart device, big flat screen
> and various other gadgets. How much tech does the grocery business
> require? Getting that food from the farm to the shelf requires a lot
> more than you think. Scanners in the store to take and update
> inventory, computers to manage the databases generated by all that
> data, network connections to corporate HQ’s, programs to determine
> best allocation of food based on sales, etc. Communication with the
> distributors to best transport those goods (right along with keeping
> track of them, databases, etc, rolling stock, employees, and many
> other factors). Distributors also must be able to communicate with
> producers to see what they have available, etc.
>
> So, while folks are contemplating how California will deal with their
> own problems, everyone should be looking 5,000 miles further west at
> the source of many of the political mumbo jumbo, environmental
> pollution and even materials rationing. Yep, China. The biggest
> offender on the planet who gives 2 cents in care to anyone who would
> object (about the cost of the bullet they would use to terminate your
> complaints). China, who uses enough fossil fuels to manufacture,
> produce and ship products and energy. China, who is also the largest
> producer of toxic metal pollution, plastic pollution in the oceans and
> worst offender of human rights on the planet. And yeah, they are also
> the ones who produced the very virus that was leaked to the world and
> caused almost 19 months of economic and health chaos. The very same
> China with a political machine that has been influencing many on our
> side of the pacific to buy into policies designed to break us and make
> us easy for hostile takeover. So, while we are all distracted with
> EV’s, solar panels, wind generators and sustainable tech, they are
> keeping their eyes on the prize and seeking to control much of the
> planet.
>
> So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of
> some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people
> from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient.
> Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real
> science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave
> us?
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Ministry of facts.
>
>
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 9:52 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:22:33 -0700
>>
>>> It is also interesting that those very same states that push EV’s
>>> also
>>> have not upgraded their power systems in quite some time. California
>>> is the leader on this list of shame with rolling blackouts and
>>> brownouts each summer.
>>
>> I think this is unfair to California. Much of California is the
>> hottest
>> in the US. Greenhouse gasses are created by everyone, but California
>> can least afford to gain a degree. California is also the most
>> populous state in the nation. So in spite of EV's and all their other
>> moves to limit environmental damage, they can't reduce the heat that
>> radiates or blows into California, so they can't keep all their
>> citizens' houses below 85 Fahrenheit. Hence the rolling blackouts.
>>
>>> They also want to put up more windmills, off
>>> shore! Talk about throwing good money after bad and causing those of
>>> us with computers that are capable of running linux no end of
>>> trouble.
>>
>> I'm not sure how windmills cause havoc with Linux. I thought that was
>> done by Microsoft.
>>
>> California could sure use more fission reactors, but in a place where
>> 7+ earthquakes are frequent, doing so is just too likely to cause
>> another Chernobyl. Plus, anything near the coast is likely to go
>> Fukushima with a tsunami. They don't have a river capable of
>> generating
>> huge power from its current. They can't import from surrounding
>> states,
>> and back in the day, when they imported from Texas, the Texan power
>> companies stiffed California's power grid in order to make a bigger
>> profit.
>>
>> So, other than solar, wind and conservation, I don't see what other
>> options California has.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
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