Nice job Eric!! I'm going to print this out and frame it. This is the side of the debate that is being kept from us. On 2021-07-27 22:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Yes, > However, California is also in the midst of a cyclic drought (tree > ring studies going back nearly 1k years proves this). > > Also, California has one of the longest coastlines of any state. One > last item, how is it that much of the intermountain west (which has > many thousands of square miles of desert be cooler than California on > Average? > > In point of fact, Arizona often sees higher average tempuratures each > summer and is one of the few states that see consistently more than > 140 days a year above 100 F. We are also in the midst of a long period > drought that started in the middle 1980’s and is continuing. This > mirrors the previous dry period that started roughly 1,000 years ago > and lasted some 550 years with a 50 year long mega drought near it’s > beginning some 980 years ago. > > Now, as for carbon footprint, those wind turbines take an enormous > amount of fossil fuels to create, from the high precision machined > bearings to the blades that are manufactured with materials that are, > buy their very nature, not recyclable. They are also very inefficient > (lower than a typical comparable solar facility with an average of 30% > efficiency directly converting light to energy. Those very solar > facilities use panels that are made with highly toxic materials (such > as cadmium, lead, and selenium among other heavy metals).much of the > panels are manufactured in china, by workers who are either slave > labor or poorly paid wage slaves, working in conditions that we don’t > allow here. The same materials and technologies exist in the very > computer systems you and I use for emails like this and also are the > very same systems we use to run Linux on. > > So, we can all either sit here and pontificate upon all of this or > actually take some viable action. The question then becomes, how much > of this technology are you willing to live without? I know I certainly > can’t if I want to be able to read my printed mail (not possible for a > totally blind individual without technology to convert text to > speech). How about keeping my place cool with a swamp cooler that uses > an actual scientific advance called Phase duration modulation in order > to regulate motor speed and reduce current usage. Air conditioning > would be nice, but costs too much to run. Also, without all this tech, > paying the bills would take considerably longer, ordering things for > delivery would require a printed catalogue and a telephone. Want to do > without technology, say goodbye to your smart device, big flat screen > and various other gadgets. How much tech does the grocery business > require? Getting that food from the farm to the shelf requires a lot > more than you think. Scanners in the store to take and update > inventory, computers to manage the databases generated by all that > data, network connections to corporate HQ’s, programs to determine > best allocation of food based on sales, etc. Communication with the > distributors to best transport those goods (right along with keeping > track of them, databases, etc, rolling stock, employees, and many > other factors). Distributors also must be able to communicate with > producers to see what they have available, etc. > > So, while folks are contemplating how California will deal with their > own problems, everyone should be looking 5,000 miles further west at > the source of many of the political mumbo jumbo, environmental > pollution and even materials rationing. Yep, China. The biggest > offender on the planet who gives 2 cents in care to anyone who would > object (about the cost of the bullet they would use to terminate your > complaints). China, who uses enough fossil fuels to manufacture, > produce and ship products and energy. China, who is also the largest > producer of toxic metal pollution, plastic pollution in the oceans and > worst offender of human rights on the planet. And yeah, they are also > the ones who produced the very virus that was leaked to the world and > caused almost 19 months of economic and health chaos. The very same > China with a political machine that has been influencing many on our > side of the pacific to buy into policies designed to break us and make > us easy for hostile takeover. So, while we are all distracted with > EV’s, solar panels, wind generators and sustainable tech, they are > keeping their eyes on the prize and seeking to control much of the > planet. > > So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of > some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people > from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient. > Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real > science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave > us? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Ministry of facts. > > >> On Jul 27, 2021, at 9:52 PM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:22:33 -0700 >> >>> It is also interesting that those very same states that push EV’s >>> also >>> have not upgraded their power systems in quite some time. California >>> is the leader on this list of shame with rolling blackouts and >>> brownouts each summer. >> >> I think this is unfair to California. Much of California is the >> hottest >> in the US. Greenhouse gasses are created by everyone, but California >> can least afford to gain a degree. California is also the most >> populous state in the nation. So in spite of EV's and all their other >> moves to limit environmental damage, they can't reduce the heat that >> radiates or blows into California, so they can't keep all their >> citizens' houses below 85 Fahrenheit. Hence the rolling blackouts. >> >>> They also want to put up more windmills, off >>> shore! Talk about throwing good money after bad and causing those of >>> us with computers that are capable of running linux no end of >>> trouble. >> >> I'm not sure how windmills cause havoc with Linux. I thought that was >> done by Microsoft. >> >> California could sure use more fission reactors, but in a place where >> 7+ earthquakes are frequent, doing so is just too likely to cause >> another Chernobyl. Plus, anything near the coast is likely to go >> Fukushima with a tsunami. They don't have a river capable of >> generating >> huge power from its current. They can't import from surrounding >> states, >> and back in the day, when they imported from Texas, the Texan power >> companies stiffed California's power grid in order to make a bigger >> profit. >> >> So, other than solar, wind and conservation, I don't see what other >> options California has. >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the >> Successful >> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss