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Author: Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss
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To: Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
CC: Retro64XYZ
Subject: Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server
Dreamhost is suffering a lot of security issues and they have been
getting their users blanket banned by "security" companies. So every
time someone forgets to update WordPress, your site is going to end up
on a Force point bulletin, and all your users are going to get a big red
"DONOTGOHERE" warning from Chrome. They also provide no support for
this, so you are on your own with arguing with someone in Thailand that
you don't deserve to be on their malicious website list that
inexplicably is being used by the government to decide who is and who is
not a bad actor.

On 7/23/21 9:35 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I am curious, they have treated me very well over the years.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:29 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss
> <
> <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
>     Is Dreamhost a terrible abuser of privacy?

>
>     On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:24 AM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss
>     <
>     <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

>
>         Please use literally anyone but Dreamhost.

>
>>         On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Stephen Partington via
>>         PLUG-discuss <
>>         <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

>>
>>         
>>         I hit send too soon, All of this hosting aside. I have 3
>>         dedicated servers, one is a dual Xeon server with 80-some GB
>>         ram, it runs as a VM host for all sorts of things for me. and
>>         2 mac mini's one is a windows server (I know but
>>         professionally speaking this is a good thing for me to keep
>>         in touch with). and the other is a linux server. they are a
>>         great low-power solution. (look for older 2012 models if you
>>         go this route)

>>
>>
>>         On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:09 AM Stephen Partington
>>         < <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>>             For cost/efficiency, it is hard to beat some of the
>>             online hosting options. Dreamhost has a shared plan with
>>             unlimited everything and a domain for 9 per month (down
>>             to 3 for 1 or 3 years paid upfront) 10 per month Ifor a VPS.

>>
>>             On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 3:45 PM Brian Cluff via
>>             PLUG-discuss <
>>             <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

>>
>>                 I think you'll find that server of yours used closer
>>                 to $500 than $120. Based on the 600watt number that
>>                 you gave your usage would look like this on SRP right
>>                 now under their normal flat rate plan:
>>                 Months     Number of Days     Kwh Cost     Machine Load in
>>                 Kilo watts     Cost per hour(KWH cost times wattage)
>>                 Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours)     Total Cost
>>                 (Cost per time period)
>>                 May, Jun, Sep, Oct     122     0.1091     0.6     0.06546
>>                 1.57104     191.66688
>>                 Jul,Aug     62     0.1157     0.6     0.06942     1.66608     103.29696
>>                 Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April     182     0.0782     0.6
>>                 0.04692     1.12608     204.94656

>>
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>                     Grand Total     499.9104

>>
>>
>>                 Even if you machine used half the power you specified
>>                 it would still be about twice what you thought it was.

>>
>>                 I always recommend that people don't use their old
>>                 computers when it comes to use cases like using them
>>                 for routers  because it's MUCH cheaper to buy
>>                 something like a PI or a dedicated router than it is
>>                 pay for power to feel a machine that uses waaay more
>>                 than you need to.
>>                 With a raspberry pi under worst case useage with it
>>                 being use to 100% capacity you'd only get charged
>>                 $6.32 per year, but it would most likely be closer to
>>                 it's idling cost of $2.82 for power:
>>                 Months     Number of Days     Kwh Cost     Machine Load in
>>                 Kilo watts     Cost per hour(KWH cost times wattage)
>>                 Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours)     Total Cost
>>                 (Cost per time period)
>>                 May, Jun, Sep, Oct     122     0.1091     0.0076     0.00082916
>>                 0.01989984     2.42778048
>>                 Jul,Aug     62     0.1157     0.0076     0.00087932     0.02110368
>>                 1.30842816
>>                 Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April     182     0.0782     0.0076
>>                 0.00059432     0.01426368     2.59598976

>>
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>                     Grand Total     6.3321984

>>
>>
>>
>>                 Brian Cluff

>>
>>                 On 7/21/21 3:50 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>                 Back when I ran a home server on my Athlon X2 with 1500 W supply, the machine never drew that much. Even with several disks spinning, 8 VMWare instances going and a few other goodies, that machine never drew more than 600w at maximum. I kept it live 24/7 for a few years and it added less than $120 yearly to the electrical bill. These days, that machine is out of service and is only good for parts. My Mac mini, which draws at most 100 W under full load is on 24/7 and I don’t even see it add that much to the electrical bill here. There are really only 3 high draw appliances in this house now:
>>>                 1. The refrigerator
>>>                 2. The stove/oven
>>>                 3. The master cool evaporative cooler. Everything else either runs on wall warts or only gets used occasionally. In fact, we spend less than $150 a month here for electric. Now, if I put that Athlon X2 back into service, we might see $10 a month in extra use. I am still contemplating putting it back up and using it as my go to linux development machine.

>>>
>>>                 -Eric
>>>                  From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Utilities Dept.

>>>
>>>>                 On Jul 21, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss<>  <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>  wrote:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Hi,

>>>>
>>>>                 I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server from home:

>>>>
>>>>                 Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A 250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a whopping $262.00 per year!

>>>>
>>>>                 ---
>>>>                 I think their math is wrong.

>>>>
>>>>                 The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.

>>>>
>>>>                 I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a 400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.  I've read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply capacity.  Is this correct?

>>>>
>>>>                 If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts * 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.

>>>>
>>>>                 I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.

>>>>
>>>>                 Any thoughts are much appreciated.

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>>             Stephen

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