Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using
(hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that.
I know and Machines have felt very different in memory management than
intel. Even their Bulldozer architecture they really still felt very
snappy. And threadripper takes this to a new level with quad-channel
memory. Epyc takes it even further with 8 channel memory. while it may not
resolve the way it is handled it may lessen the impact.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:45 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> Yeah, It isn’t just on linux where some of these apps have issues. OS X
> also sees a lot of the same issues (I never maintain more than 4 open tabs
> of Chrome and I don’t bother with Firefox as it’s an accessibility
> nightmare under VoiceOver screen reader). About the only DM’s in linux
> where the ORCA screen reader and braille facilities work best are GTK based
> ones (like Gnome, FVWM, and some others) and won’t even work at all in KDE
> without significant modifications to the KDE environment (and even then,
> with only partial accessibility).
>
> The reason I bring up the accessibility issue is that these memory hogs
> can have detrimental effects on screen reader and braille display
> performance Most times on a linux system, I will simply just use either
> ORCA for the DM or go to Emacsspeak for console mode and use Lynx (or one
> of its variants) for web browsing. Much smaller footprint. As for office
> apps, I haven’t found anything out there that isn’t a memory hog in one way
> or another. So, I do what I can to minimize those issues. About the only
> thing I have been unable to do is have the screen reader read remotely fed
> apps (forwarded X display types) They appear only as a graphic interface
> with no content inside of them. Considering the versatility of Linux and
> most Linux based apps, this is a glaring issue that seriously needs to be
> resolved.
>
> Btw, as far as memory issues goes, I really wish we could go back to the
> days of programming when everything had to be tight to fit into a small ram
> footprint. Sure, those programs were a little less user friendly, but they
> didn’t have nearly the bugs or the bloat of current apps.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Memory allocation and
> configuration Dept.
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Inline here:
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700
>> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox
>> ty setting it to drop all cache and other stuff upon exit, and then I
>> shut down all instances of Firefox every day.
>>
>
> They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep ending
> up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new IE, so now I
> *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab suspenders across
> each, doesn't help much.
>
> My problem is I have to keep different profiles for different companies I
> work with, usually no less than 4-6 at a time, 2 at least for my personal
> gsuite and work. Mostly I do so for M$ O365/Teams, as they can't figure
> out how to make it work across organizations or seemingly comprehend why
> anyone would. Hint: Consultants that work for 5-10 orgs at a time. Each
> profile just ends up hoarding ram, which ends up being 30-40gb at times on
> my system.
>
> I don't know how many VMs you run, but those eat up memory.
>>
>
> I have a mainstream Win10 build with visio and other windoze-y crap I
> need, 8gb of ram, and keep a few win10 ameliorated editions for clients to
> minimize footprint with 4gb. Usually only 2 windoze, 1 if I can.
> Occasionally a few other 2-4gb ram linux systems, but typically ~20gb for
> vbox and my vms. It's where all the other memory goes I have a hard time
> with, which I really can't identify.
>
> What the heck kind of editor requires 3-4GB RAM? That sounds crazy to
>> me. Why do you have a few dozen files open simultaneously?
>>
>
> Fine questions really, this tends to be where I'm bit odd. I've found
> whether using Pluma, Gedit, or even qqnotepad, they all tend to get a bit
> crazy with a lot of tabs. I presume things like undo memory, things like
> that are adding up, but I'm still like geez, really?
>
> Why so many? I mostly do network and security consulting, with config
> files from existing devices, resulting operational output extracted in
> text, across multiple orgs at a time. Not to mention configuration changes
> I'm making for template deployment off those, so it gets a bit crazy
> flipping between dozens of configs at a time.
>
> If I could find better ways to manage some of this, it would be nice, but
> seems everything just dumps this sort of thing into memory hoarding.
>
> Libreoffice is kind of a pig. Is there something else you can use? And
>> why a dozen or two simultaneous files open? This sounds like a workflow
>> nightmare. Do you mean one Libreoffice instance with 24 files open, or
>> a bunch of separate Libreoffices in VMs. If the latter, yeah, that's
>> going to burn a lot of RAM, even more than one instance with 24
>> documents.
>>
>
> I often blame Libreoffice, only to kill it with like 20 spreadsheets open,
> and 30 write files and find it was using (only) around 4gb of ram. I take
> notes a lot in libre because it's restore on crash has proven pretty
> flawless vs., well anything else. I mostly prefer pluma for text input and
> notes, but no good restore. Tried qqnotepad that had a restore function,
> it was highly dysfunctional.
>
>
>> Ohhhh, KDE. I call that Krash, Delay, Expand. See
>> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm . I use OpenBox, which
>> is a low-RAM, just-the-facts window manager. On every machine I ever
>> used KDE, performance was bad and on lower RAM machines, things ground
>> to a halt.
>>
>> Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and
>> huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015
>> computer with 4GB RAM.
>>
>
> Yes KDE is a pain, but both pretty and functional. I like it, though it
> friggin' hates me. Tried Mate/Cinnamon, i3, xfce, others randomly, just
> never cared for most.
>
> My work and life on a single pc blend probably too much, but when I still
> can't seem to work functionally with 64-128gb of ram that simply no one
> else uses but me, I'm like wtf is wrong with my setup.
>
>
>> I'm running a 2014 computer:
>> * AMD A6-6400K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (dual core)
>> - 3.1Ghz dualcore
>> * 16GB RAM
>> * Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2
>>
>> With no browsers open, this machine is is snappy as hell. With firefox
>> set to dump cache upon exit, as long as I do reasonable housekeeping on
>> tabs, and prophylactically close all firefox instances at least once a
>> day, everything's pretty good.
>>
>> That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz 6
>> core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in
>> running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent
>> housekeeping in Firefox.
>>
>
> Perhaps this is just the price for working as I do. I also tend to keep
> things open to work perpetually as who needs work/life balance, so purging
> things would likely help.
>
> Trying to work as I do under windoze as a test, it just couldn't hang.
> Perhaps I expect too much of linux, but it's far more capable at least,
> though when it gets wonky, it does so fast.
>
> Thanks for the input here, I do appreciate it, as perhaps as said I am
> simply going about things a wrong way, thus the ask.
>
>
>>
>> SteveT
>>
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