Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using (hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that. I know and Machines have felt very different in memory management than intel. Even their Bulldozer architecture they really still felt very snappy. And threadripper takes this to a new level with quad-channel memory. Epyc takes it even further with 8 channel memory. while it may not resolve the way it is handled it may lessen the impact. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:45 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Yeah, It isn’t just on linux where some of these apps have issues. OS X > also sees a lot of the same issues (I never maintain more than 4 open tabs > of Chrome and I don’t bother with Firefox as it’s an accessibility > nightmare under VoiceOver screen reader). About the only DM’s in linux > where the ORCA screen reader and braille facilities work best are GTK based > ones (like Gnome, FVWM, and some others) and won’t even work at all in KDE > without significant modifications to the KDE environment (and even then, > with only partial accessibility). > > The reason I bring up the accessibility issue is that these memory hogs > can have detrimental effects on screen reader and braille display > performance Most times on a linux system, I will simply just use either > ORCA for the DM or go to Emacsspeak for console mode and use Lynx (or one > of its variants) for web browsing. Much smaller footprint. As for office > apps, I haven’t found anything out there that isn’t a memory hog in one way > or another. So, I do what I can to minimize those issues. About the only > thing I have been unable to do is have the screen reader read remotely fed > apps (forwarded X display types) They appear only as a graphic interface > with no content inside of them. Considering the versatility of Linux and > most Linux based apps, this is a glaring issue that seriously needs to be > resolved. > > Btw, as far as memory issues goes, I really wish we could go back to the > days of programming when everything had to be tight to fit into a small ram > footprint. Sure, those programs were a little less user friendly, but they > didn’t have nearly the bugs or the bloat of current apps. > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Memory allocation and > configuration Dept. > > > > On Nov 8, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > Inline here: > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 >> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >> Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox >> ty setting it to drop all cache and other stuff upon exit, and then I >> shut down all instances of Firefox every day. >> > > They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep ending > up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new IE, so now I > *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab suspenders across > each, doesn't help much. > > My problem is I have to keep different profiles for different companies I > work with, usually no less than 4-6 at a time, 2 at least for my personal > gsuite and work. Mostly I do so for M$ O365/Teams, as they can't figure > out how to make it work across organizations or seemingly comprehend why > anyone would. Hint: Consultants that work for 5-10 orgs at a time. Each > profile just ends up hoarding ram, which ends up being 30-40gb at times on > my system. > > I don't know how many VMs you run, but those eat up memory. >> > > I have a mainstream Win10 build with visio and other windoze-y crap I > need, 8gb of ram, and keep a few win10 ameliorated editions for clients to > minimize footprint with 4gb. Usually only 2 windoze, 1 if I can. > Occasionally a few other 2-4gb ram linux systems, but typically ~20gb for > vbox and my vms. It's where all the other memory goes I have a hard time > with, which I really can't identify. > > What the heck kind of editor requires 3-4GB RAM? That sounds crazy to >> me. Why do you have a few dozen files open simultaneously? >> > > Fine questions really, this tends to be where I'm bit odd. I've found > whether using Pluma, Gedit, or even qqnotepad, they all tend to get a bit > crazy with a lot of tabs. I presume things like undo memory, things like > that are adding up, but I'm still like geez, really? > > Why so many? I mostly do network and security consulting, with config > files from existing devices, resulting operational output extracted in > text, across multiple orgs at a time. Not to mention configuration changes > I'm making for template deployment off those, so it gets a bit crazy > flipping between dozens of configs at a time. > > If I could find better ways to manage some of this, it would be nice, but > seems everything just dumps this sort of thing into memory hoarding. > > Libreoffice is kind of a pig. Is there something else you can use? And >> why a dozen or two simultaneous files open? This sounds like a workflow >> nightmare. Do you mean one Libreoffice instance with 24 files open, or >> a bunch of separate Libreoffices in VMs. If the latter, yeah, that's >> going to burn a lot of RAM, even more than one instance with 24 >> documents. >> > > I often blame Libreoffice, only to kill it with like 20 spreadsheets open, > and 30 write files and find it was using (only) around 4gb of ram. I take > notes a lot in libre because it's restore on crash has proven pretty > flawless vs., well anything else. I mostly prefer pluma for text input and > notes, but no good restore. Tried qqnotepad that had a restore function, > it was highly dysfunctional. > > >> Ohhhh, KDE. I call that Krash, Delay, Expand. See >> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm . I use OpenBox, which >> is a low-RAM, just-the-facts window manager. On every machine I ever >> used KDE, performance was bad and on lower RAM machines, things ground >> to a halt. >> >> Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and >> huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015 >> computer with 4GB RAM. >> > > Yes KDE is a pain, but both pretty and functional. I like it, though it > friggin' hates me. Tried Mate/Cinnamon, i3, xfce, others randomly, just > never cared for most. > > My work and life on a single pc blend probably too much, but when I still > can't seem to work functionally with 64-128gb of ram that simply no one > else uses but me, I'm like wtf is wrong with my setup. > > >> I'm running a 2014 computer: >> * AMD A6-6400K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (dual core) >> - 3.1Ghz dualcore >> * 16GB RAM >> * Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2 >> >> With no browsers open, this machine is is snappy as hell. With firefox >> set to dump cache upon exit, as long as I do reasonable housekeeping on >> tabs, and prophylactically close all firefox instances at least once a >> day, everything's pretty good. >> >> That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz 6 >> core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in >> running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent >> housekeeping in Firefox. >> > > Perhaps this is just the price for working as I do. I also tend to keep > things open to work perpetually as who needs work/life balance, so purging > things would likely help. > > Trying to work as I do under windoze as a test, it just couldn't hang. > Perhaps I expect too much of linux, but it's far more capable at least, > though when it gets wonky, it does so fast. > > Thanks for the input here, I do appreciate it, as perhaps as said I am > simply going about things a wrong way, thus the ask. > > >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. 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