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Author: Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
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CC: Stephen Partington
Subject: Re: New computer.
I have been doing a hefty amount of research on this lately. It apparently
new computer time among my friends. It is also giving me the itch.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:43 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
> wrote:

> That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year
> or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket for
> the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can drop
> their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a much
> much faster computer.
>
> That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a
> built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.
>
> Brian
>
> On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> > wrote:
>
>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> only have USB2. But you know what they say.... play with what you
>> have!
>>         *-usb:0
>>            *-usbhost
>>                 bus info: usb@1
>>                 logical name: usb1
>>                 capabilities: usb-2.00
>>               *-usb
>>                    bus info: usb@1:1
>>                    capabilities: usb-2.00
>>         *-usb:1
>>            *-usbhost
>>                 bus info: usb@2
>>                 logical name: usb2
>>                 capabilities: usb-2.00
>>               *-usb
>>                    bus info: usb@2:1
>>                    capabilities: usb-2.00
>>                  *-usb:0
>>                       bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>                       capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>                       configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>                  *-usb:1
>>                       bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>                       capabilities: usb-2.00
>>                     *-usb:0
>>                          bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>                          capabilities: usb-1.10
>>                          configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>                     *-usb:1
>>                          bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>                          capabilities: usb-2.00
>>                          configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>                     *-usb:2
>>                          bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>                          capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>                          configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> <> wrote:
>> >
>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> > power supply to support that many hard drives. If you could get that
>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> > rather quickly on a NUC. You would need to get some sort of external
>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> > work right. I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>> > also is USB3. USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >
>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> > mini PCIe port. Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> > instantly. Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds. Login
>> > times are virtually instant. When you first get one, you will tell your
>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >
>> > Brian Cluff
>> >
>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>> > > with the NUC?
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> > > <> wrote:
>> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place
>> for
>> > >> at least 1 NVMe. Then I would recommend that you get at least one
>> > >> NVMe. It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your
>> OS
>> > >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster
>> than
>> > >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive.... Trust me, it will be
>> > >> worth every cent to get it.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now. You can
>> get a
>> > >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW What's the price range you are looking at spending?
>> > >>
>> > >> Brian Cluff
>> > >>
>> > >> On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > >>> I think I figured out what I want to do..... I'm going to buy a
>> > >>> chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein
>> the
>> > >>> hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old
>> machine
>> > >>> (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I
>> frankenstein?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael <> wrote:
>> > >>>> Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before..... I'm
>> > >>>> going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
>> > >>>> together.... I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis
>> and
>> > >>>> motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an
>> animal
>> > >>>> in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what
>> they
>> > >>>> were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine
>> in the sales?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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