Since I am a millennium I thought I should chip in at least once. Although
this thread started has H1B which actually hurts both the foreign worker
and the American work that's my stance there. The American worker is
losing their job to someone that will take a lot less but do the same
work. The foreign worker because they are being paid less and although
there are places to live that are dirt cheap they are not always the best.
The economy has suffered for years and there are too many contributing
factors to name.
Now the last couple of arguments are more hitting home. Yes I have a
bachelors and a couple of certificates, working on more certificates, but
still working help desk. Do I know more than that sure. Could I work in a
different place that could accelerate my learning/understanding/knowledge
whatever you want to call it yes. When my father was young he went to the
military and went to school That was the first time he really touched a
computer. So in those days yes it was almost handed to people to have
jobs. Nowadays it's more of who you know rather than what you know. I
can't tell you how many "network technicians" I've helped over the years to
configure a router. I've worked to get where I am and struggling to move
around. But it's not only my location but also my type of degree. CIS is
not the most notable computer degree out there. But beyond that I have
certificates, practice my *nix skills at home. But they don't mean
anything to the work place. My other degree would be in business
management so hopefully I'm not stepping on feet here.
On the one hand you need to have the education and knowledge how to do what
you work with. Getting a good paying job doesn't only help with that
whether the company is paying for the training or not. But you also need
to be physically strong and mentally healthy. So getting paid a living
wage is necessary to have both of those. Sure you could be poor and be
laid back and still get a decent job. But to uplift yourself does take a
degree of basic needs. From economics when a people can satisfy their
basic needs then they start to look at other needs. Now onto the reverse,
like I said I've worked with enough technicians setup a router for nothing
more than simple routing. These people properly knew someone and then they
got hired and make decent money. So they could have high marks,
certificates, and all other form of so called knowledge that means
nothing. Yet they are still making big bucks.
The take away here hopefully is one, foreign workers aren't getting screwed
any less than American workers. You need to have your basic needs met
first before you can worry about uplifting yourself. And last but not
least not trying to sound like a recruiter but getting to know someone
these days is a necessary. Just please don't call tech support asking how
to put your router that has a static IP into bridge mode.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Steve Litt <
slitt@troubleshooters.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:51:44 -0700
> Keith Smith <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>
> > I had dinner with a couple guys from a programming agency last
> > night. The senior owner is about 55 and the junior owner is about
> > 35. I'm guessing they make exceptionally good money. What was the
> > mix that made them successful? Skills, personality, an hard work.
> > They both attended college, developed some in demand skills, with a
> > little luck and hard work they are doing very well.
>
> These two guys are one anecdote.
>
> Your life story is another anecdote. A few anecdotes don't prove
> anything. There are always people who can overcome obstacles. But
> today's obstacles are much more difficult for the average person to
> overcome.
>
> Except for the 82/83 recession, the 70's and 80's you remember as
> difficult were paradise compared to the world faced by the last decade
> of high school grads.
>
> My assertions can be born out by statistics on cost of living,
> unemployment, and real wages, broken out by age group. It's not hard to
> find.
>
> The shame is, a higher minimum wage and a few other minor tweaks could
> have fixed these problems enough to stay on a stable course.
>
> This is tired and offtopic. There's no convincing you that life isn't
> an endless meritocracy: I won't try further. Just don't come crying
> to me if the nation you love and fought for disintegrates. It would
> have been pretty easy to prevent with a stitch in time.
>
> SteveT
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