Hey Michael, thanks for all the info. Being as I'm not ON Linux yet, I'm
going to save this for when I am.
Not Realtek, it's Conexant. Prolly about the same. But def not a driver
issue; drivers don't touch the problem whether generic or not, new or
old. It's def something HP and or MS did. I've given up. Weeks ago I
posted the Q on MS tech-whatever, and haven't heard a peep. The
knowledge of how to fix it is buried and forgotten like the Statue of
Liberty in Planet of the Apes. And maybe for the same reason....
I dunno what the high-end people do - well, they use Macs. Don't need a
patchbay, I just demo my stuff living-room style so I have something to
show to other musicians to get the idea of my songs. But that step is
crucially important to me. Today I started tracking guitar, which I
don't really play and couldn't hear, of course, due to someome's
malfeasance. Just have to guess whether the track is good enough as I
go, and then review later, and punch in if needed.
No doubt Linux makes hardware specs avail better than LOSEdows does; I
can't find jack poopie about the soundcard, and I've been through all
the LOSEdows info thises and info thats.
When my old Pavilion breaks, I might take that dust-gatherer if its
issues aren't too horrible. :-)
- Vara
On 10/1/2016 4:37 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
> Interesting, can't say I've ever used sound input hard-switched to
> output in that capacity, but seems like something that would require a
> driver, or at least some method of communications to change the
> hardware. I doubt that's a default behavior, or at least I've never
> seen it to be, probably more up to the chip, where those like
> realtek's are known to be quirky anyways. Add in crappy mangled HP
> oem win builds, and who knows.
>
> How about under linux? If nothing else, try live booting and examine
> the /proc/asound states of hardware mixing devices if the are even
> actually capable. It's easier to examine the hardware capabilities
> than under windoze imho. Try booting Ubuntu Studio live cd and see if
> that with low-latency kernel + jack can reproduce your i/o
> requirements with the same hardware.
>
> People do mixing commonly with linux and jack for production it seems,
> maybe give you back some life expectancy there. I've been watching
> for a cheap(er) RME HDSPe card to play with as they are known linux
> friendly and used in mega-production studios for i/o patching across
> exotic multi-channel pcm transport like madi, raydat, adat, aes, etc.
> I considered replacing my pioneer receiver with my htpc and a few adat
> breakout boxes for sound mixing, but even used they aren't *cheap*
> still. Plus I haven't as I haven't figured out a good way to make my
> remote switch sources yet, but if you're mixing studio inclined,
> you'll have a display and mouse anyways to work with the patchbay ui
> connections.
>
> HP hardware in consumer space is typically crap, particularly the
> Pavilions (no offense). Every one in my experience in dismantling
> (which is several) is dying/has already died from a bad power
> connector as the worst issue, and replacing them is no fun. They
> generally just fall apart otherwise in general from what I've seen
> when tearing them apart. I've soldered new power jacks into them
> grudgingly for friends, they are not fun to work on/in. Same for lcd
> hinges, fans, trackpads, they're always spindly made and bound to
> break. Kids with no respect for technology break them in 3-6 months.
>
> Last time someone asked me to look at repairing an HP Pavilion laptop
> with some mix of said issues, I refused calling it disposable and to
> treat it as such. It still sits here collecting dust left from my friend.
>
> The enterprise stuff isn't bad though. I actually had an hp elite
> business laptop myself with docking and such years ago, and it was
> nice, other than being 10lb to lug about, nothing like the Pavilion lines.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 09/28/2016 02:50 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:
>>
>> I'm typing this on an old HP Pavilion billed as an "entertainment
>> pc". Nearly every laptop in existence has a feature sometimes called
>> "input monitor" that allows sound from the mic or line-in to
>> immediately (without latency) play back through headphones (but not
>> speakers). It's automatic, and is an entirely different (and to a
>> musician recording tracks, it's an incalculably superior) feature to
>> the LOSEdows high-distortion, high-latency "Listen to this device"
>> feature. Laying tracks requires constant quality control: you
>> absolutely have to hear what you're playing exactly when you play it
>> - and some instruments are best recorded "direct-in" with no external
>> amp/monitor (and thus no hassles with mics). Further, if you're
>> laying a track on top of other tracks - say, a bass track for your
>> existing drum track - you have to hear your run-time bass and your
>> recorded drums precisely together without any humanly discernible
>> delay anywhere in the chain.
>>
>> Guess whether HP inexplicably and inexcusably disabled that feature -
>> which nearly every other computer in existence has. Mine is old and I
>> cannot find the information about which registry keys (allegedly)
>> re-enable it. This HP Pavilion is utterly worthless for the task I
>> bought it to perform, and I have no money to replace it.
>>
>> Worse even than that, is the kinda heartbreaking thread from a
>> musician who spent hundreds and hundreds on a Pavilion /when it was
>> new /and then found it was exactly as worthless for him - and found
>> that HP absolutely would not even /respond /to his repeated requests
>> for help and support even back then. The thread still exists on their
>> own forum where he's practically begging for support.
>>
>> More than you wanted to know? It's just so that any would-be HP
>> apologists can maybe feel the helpless frustration and rage when a
>> customer-hostile and fraudulent company knowingly sabotages their
>> product and does not state that they have done so. HP makes a habit
>> of it.
>>
>> Go out of business, HP. The sooner the better.
>
>
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