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Author: Michael Butash
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Subject: Re: HP software now self-destructs in printers





Interesting, can't say I've ever used
      sound input hard-switched to output in that capacity, but seems
      like something that would require a driver, or at least some
      method of communications to change the hardware.  I doubt that's a
      default behavior, or at least I've never seen it to be, probably
      more up to the chip, where those like realtek's are known to be
      quirky anyways.  Add in crappy mangled HP oem win builds, and who
      knows.


      How about under linux?  If nothing else, try live booting and
      examine the /proc/asound states of hardware mixing devices if the
      are even actually capable.  It's easier to examine the hardware
      capabilities than under windoze imho.  Try booting Ubuntu Studio
      live cd and see if that with low-latency kernel + jack can
      reproduce your i/o requirements with the same hardware.


      People do mixing commonly with linux and jack for production it
      seems, maybe give you back some life expectancy there.  I've been
      watching for a cheap(er) RME HDSPe card to play with as they are
      known linux friendly and used in mega-production studios for i/o
      patching across exotic multi-channel pcm transport like madi,
      raydat, adat, aes, etc.  I considered replacing my pioneer
      receiver with my htpc and a few adat breakout boxes for sound
      mixing, but even used they aren't *cheap* still.  Plus I haven't
      as I haven't figured out a good way to make my remote switch
      sources yet, but if you're mixing studio inclined, you'll have a
      display and mouse anyways to work with the patchbay ui
      connections.


      HP hardware in consumer space is typically crap, particularly the
      Pavilions (no offense).  Every one in my experience in dismantling
      (which is several) is dying/has already died from a bad power
      connector as the worst issue, and replacing them is no fun.  They
      generally just fall apart otherwise in general from what I've seen
      when tearing them apart.  I've soldered new power jacks into them
      grudgingly for friends, they are not fun to work on/in.  Same for
      lcd hinges, fans, trackpads, they're always spindly made and bound
      to break.  Kids with no respect for technology break them in 3-6
      months.  


      Last time someone asked me to look at repairing an HP Pavilion
      laptop with some mix of said issues, I refused calling it
      disposable and to treat it as such.  It still sits here collecting
      dust left from my friend.


      The enterprise stuff isn't bad though.  I actually had an hp elite
      business laptop myself with docking and such years ago, and it was
      nice, other than being 10lb to lug about, nothing like the
      Pavilion lines.


      -mb



      On 09/28/2016 02:50 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:




I'm typing this on an old HP Pavilion billed as an
        "entertainment pc". Nearly every laptop in existence has a
        feature sometimes called "input monitor" that allows sound from
        the mic or line-in to immediately (without latency) play back
        through headphones (but not speakers). It's automatic, and is an
        entirely different (and to a musician recording tracks, it's an
        incalculably superior) feature to the LOSEdows high-distortion,
        high-latency "Listen to this device" feature. Laying tracks
        requires constant quality control: you absolutely have to hear
        what you're playing exactly when you play it - and some
        instruments are best recorded "direct-in" with no external
        amp/monitor (and thus no hassles with mics). Further, if you're
        laying a track on top of other tracks - say, a bass track for
        your existing drum track - you have to hear your run-time bass
        and your recorded drums precisely together without any humanly
        discernible delay anywhere in the chain.

Guess whether HP inexplicably and inexcusably disabled that
        feature - which nearly every other computer in existence has.
        Mine is old and I cannot find the information about which
        registry keys (allegedly) re-enable it. This HP Pavilion is
        utterly worthless for the task I bought it to perform, and I
        have no money to replace it.


Worse even than that, is the kinda heartbreaking thread from a
        musician who spent hundreds and hundreds on a Pavilion 
when
          it was new 
and then found it was exactly as worthless for
        him - and found that HP absolutely would not even 
respond to
        his repeated requests for help and support even back then. The
        thread still exists on their own forum where he's practically
        begging for support.

More than you wanted to know? It's just so that any would-be HP
        apologists can maybe feel the helpless frustration and rage when
        a customer-hostile and fraudulent company knowingly sabotages
        their product and does not state that they have done so. HP
        makes a habit of it.


      Go out of business, HP. The sooner the better.





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