On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:24:50 -0400
Michael Havens <
bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
Precisely Michael. That's pretty much how I feel about it too.
SteveT
> Linux is about choice. You can choose to run a distro with systemd or
> you can choose to run one without. You can choose to create your own
> linux implementation that does not run systemd or one that does.
> Everything is open source so you can do it if you want. Quit
> complaining make it do what you want yourself.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Steve Litt
> <slitt@troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:45:09 -0700
> > Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snip Brian's ideas on systemd and its critics]
> >
> >
> > > Linux needs more distros to agree on things, not distros that do
> > > things different.
> >
> > Brian's sentence above is a statement of belief that encapsulates
> > the crux of the two years plus heated discussion about systemd. I
> > call it a belief because it's neither proven nor refuted by
> > Newtonian Physics, Relativity, Mathematical Law, etc.
> >
> > A person completely adopting this belief can follow it to one of two
> > logical conclusions (I'm skipping fairly obvious logical steps
> > here):
> >
> > 1) Everybody should use systemd
> > 2) Nobody should use systemd
> >
> > This is an explanation for the phenomenon in which person A says "I
> > run without systemd" and person B replies, explaining why doing so
> > is wrong. If one wants a unified GNU/Linux with systemd, alternate
> > init systems, and sans-systemd distros are a threat to unified
> > GNU/Linux.
> >
> > It can also explain why some anti-systemd people go completely
> > ballistic about systemd: Perhaps they believe in a unified GNU/Linux
> > where nobody uses systemd. However, this paragraph is complicated by
> > the fact that many people still believe that all their alternatives
> > to systemd have been removed.
> >
> > Just for the record, my belief is that I completely embrace a widely
> > heterogenous GNU/Linux. I'm glad Slackers have a distro so manual
> > that its package manager lets them manually handle dependencies.
> > I'm glad Mint people have a distro so "we do it all for you" that a
> > five year old can operate it, as long as he/she goes along with the
> > way Mint works. I have friends who use Unity, and I'm glad it makes
> > them more productive. I'm glad people who like compiling their own
> > have Gentoo and Funtoo. I'm glad that I can use ultra-simple Void
> > to do most of my work, and still run Ubuntu in a VM to handle LyX,
> > which can't be handled by Void. It's wonderful that I can use
> > simplistic, mechanical, sans-systemd Void, and give my non-Geek 22
> > year old triplets Lubuntu. I like GNU/Linux because I can make it
> > do almost anything, and because of the wide variety of distros, I
> > can pick the best starting point, without major dis-assembly or
> > major building up.
> >
> > Anyway, I can definitely see how differing beliefs on how homo or
> > heterogeneous GNU/Linux should be would lead to passionate debate.
> > Brian really encapsulated the entire debate in one sentence.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> > October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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