On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:24:50 -0400 Michael Havens wrote: Precisely Michael. That's pretty much how I feel about it too. SteveT > Linux is about choice. You can choose to run a distro with systemd or > you can choose to run one without. You can choose to create your own > linux implementation that does not run systemd or one that does. > Everything is open source so you can do it if you want. Quit > complaining make it do what you want yourself. > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:45:09 -0700 > > Brian Cluff wrote: > > > > [snip Brian's ideas on systemd and its critics] > > > > > > > Linux needs more distros to agree on things, not distros that do > > > things different. > > > > Brian's sentence above is a statement of belief that encapsulates > > the crux of the two years plus heated discussion about systemd. I > > call it a belief because it's neither proven nor refuted by > > Newtonian Physics, Relativity, Mathematical Law, etc. > > > > A person completely adopting this belief can follow it to one of two > > logical conclusions (I'm skipping fairly obvious logical steps > > here): > > > > 1) Everybody should use systemd > > 2) Nobody should use systemd > > > > This is an explanation for the phenomenon in which person A says "I > > run without systemd" and person B replies, explaining why doing so > > is wrong. If one wants a unified GNU/Linux with systemd, alternate > > init systems, and sans-systemd distros are a threat to unified > > GNU/Linux. > > > > It can also explain why some anti-systemd people go completely > > ballistic about systemd: Perhaps they believe in a unified GNU/Linux > > where nobody uses systemd. However, this paragraph is complicated by > > the fact that many people still believe that all their alternatives > > to systemd have been removed. > > > > Just for the record, my belief is that I completely embrace a widely > > heterogenous GNU/Linux. I'm glad Slackers have a distro so manual > > that its package manager lets them manually handle dependencies. > > I'm glad Mint people have a distro so "we do it all for you" that a > > five year old can operate it, as long as he/she goes along with the > > way Mint works. I have friends who use Unity, and I'm glad it makes > > them more productive. I'm glad people who like compiling their own > > have Gentoo and Funtoo. I'm glad that I can use ultra-simple Void > > to do most of my work, and still run Ubuntu in a VM to handle LyX, > > which can't be handled by Void. It's wonderful that I can use > > simplistic, mechanical, sans-systemd Void, and give my non-Geek 22 > > year old triplets Lubuntu. I like GNU/Linux because I can make it > > do almost anything, and because of the wide variety of distros, I > > can pick the best starting point, without major dis-assembly or > > major building up. > > > > Anyway, I can definitely see how differing beliefs on how homo or > > heterogeneous GNU/Linux should be would lead to passionate debate. > > Brian really encapsulated the entire debate in one sentence. > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss