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Author: James Dugger
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Subject: Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...
Sorry there is no "safe legal" way to miss represent your HOA (a legal
entity regulated by the State Corporation Commision) to a city (a
jurisdictional agency with a state charter).

Ironically you would be in violation of actual State Laws with severe
penalties, where as your neighboor at worst is only in violation of a city
ordinance. Your action would be a felony, his is barely a misdemeanor.

On May 1, 2015 7:01 AM, "Michael Havens" <> wrote:
>
> you may wnt to warn him that cities do you satelite imaging. I have a
friend who put a pool in, the next year his property tax increased because
of the pool.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Keith Smith <>
wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-04-30 20:05, JD Austin wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Victor is on the right track..
>>> "Hey.. I heard through the grapevine that someone already complained
>>> to the the HOA and they're just waiting for you to FINISH what you're
>>> doing in the backyard before they come down on you along with the city
>>> code enforcement people. I wanted you to know before you wasted a ton
>>> of money doing whatever you're doing over there so you can get the
>>> right permits/etc while you can."
>>>
>>> ​​​
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a no win situation. You tell him you heard it through the
grapevine and he will wonder who is talking about him and his business.
And more so how you know all these details.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Victor Odhner <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell
>>>> others, tell us!” policy.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that
>>>> you’d heard of people losing a bundle because they had to tear out
>>>> a non-compliant structure? I’m presuming that your motive really
>>>> is for them to be spared a major hassle. You could embellish a
>>>> little, “A friend of mine really got beat up by the licensing
>>>> people because he screwed up on some stupid details . . . “.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-04-30 15:19, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender
>>>>
>>>> email
>>>>>
>>>>> addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own
>>>>
>>>> email
>>>>>
>>>>> address. How do they do that?
>>>>> While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send
>>>>
>>>> an
>>>>>
>>>>> email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner
>>>>
>>>> association
>>>>>
>>>>> email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done
>>>>
>>>> safely and
>>>>>
>>>>> not illegally.
>>>>> To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the
>>>>
>>>> foundation to
>>>>>
>>>>> build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building
>>>>
>>>> permit)
>>>>>
>>>>> and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause
>>>>
>>>> him
>>>>>
>>>>> even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from
>>>>
>>>> proceeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the
>>>>
>>>> structure is
>>>>>
>>>>> not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA
>>>>
>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
>>>>> neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city
>>>>
>>>> authorities
>>>>>
>>>>> *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing
>>>>
>>>> and ending
>>>>>
>>>>> up with very costly consequences.
>>>>> Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position
>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
>>>>> notifying the city building code department, once the building is
>>>>
>>>> built
>>>>>
>>>>> and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not
>>>>
>>>> take
>>>>>
>>>>> any action until the building is built and a "visible" violation
>>>>
>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>> actually been committed. How stupid is that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it against your HOA's CC&R's to pour a slab in the back yard of
>>>> your house? Probably not. If not the HOA would not have a leg to
>>>> stand on. Once a structure is visable even if it is just the frame
>>>> it probably will then fall under your HOA's jurisdiction.
>>>>
>>>> I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for
>>>> any use. At this point it is probably a city issue.
>>>>
>>>>> So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building
>>>>
>>>> code
>>>>>
>>>>> enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure
>>>>
>>>> to obtain
>>>>>
>>>>> a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our
>>>>
>>>> homeowner
>>>>>
>>>>> association?
>>>>> I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take
>>>>
>>>> any action
>>>>>
>>>>> until they receive a formal "complaint" via their online input
>>>>
>>>> form which
>>>>>
>>>>> requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever
>>>>
>>>> is filing
>>>>>
>>>>> the complaint. They say that such reports are best and usually
>>>>
>>>> filed by
>>>>>
>>>>> HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
>>>>> Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the
>>>>
>>>> money to
>>>>>
>>>>> build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to
>>>>
>>>> force him
>>>>>
>>>>> to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
>>>>> needless pain and expense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would never spoof an email. Who knows where that can lead.
>>>> They will be able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really
>>>> get fancy.
>>>>
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