I think I found your issue, but to confirm... you are bridging on a
wireless interface... correct?
Kevin
On Feb 4, 2015 12:43 AM, "Michael Torres" <
matorres124@gmail.com> wrote:
> correct, I agree, but it was still failing....I changed the BROADCAST IP
> as it directed and it no longer fails......BUT also no IP address for
> enp0s3 either.....that fails too, but no error message....
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
>
>> This is your localhost or internal to the machine nic. It has no effect
>> here.
>> On Feb 4, 2015 12:28 AM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> here is my lo file
>>>
>>> DEVICE=lo
>>> IPADDR=127.0.0.1
>>> NETMASK=255.0.0.0
>>> NETWORK=127.0.0.0
>>> #If you are having problems with gated making 127.0.0.0/8 a martian,
>>> # you can change this to something else (255.255.255.255, for example)
>>> BROADCAST=127.255.255.255
>>> ONBOOT=yes
>>> NAME=loopback
>>>
>>>
>>> I dont know what "this" is referring to "NETWORK" or "BROADCAST"
>>>
>>> Ill try BROADCAST first....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, here is what I see.
>>>>
>>>> Your interface appears to be trying to do a DHCP configure. But, here
>>>> is your problem... the adapter already had one... and Windows got it. You
>>>> are in Bridge, not NAT mode, so Linux can not have its own IP, it will get
>>>> rejected by the host server.
>>>>
>>>> Let me think a sec on this.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 12:16 AM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...devserver NetworkManager[561]: <warn> (enp0s3): DHCPv4 request
>>>>> timed out.
>>>>> ...devserver NetworkManager[561]: <info> (enp0s3): canceled DHCP
>>>>> transaction, DHCP client pid 2138
>>>>> ...devserver NetworkManager[561]: <info> Activation (enp0s3) Stage 4
>>>>> 0f 5 (IPv4 Configure Timeout) scheduled...
>>>>> ...devserver NetworkManager[561]: <info> Activation (enp0s3) Stage 4
>>>>> 0f 5 (IPv4 Configure Timeout) started...
>>>>> ...devserver NetworkManager[561]: <info> Activation (enp0s3) Stage 4
>>>>> 0f 5 (IPv4 Configure Timeout) complete...
>>>>> ...devserver network[1987]: Bringing up interface enp0s3: Error:
>>>>> Timeout 90 sec expired.
>>>>> ...devserver network[1987]: [FAILED]
>>>>> ...devserver systemd[1]: network.service: control process exoited,
>>>>> code=exited satus=1
>>>>> ...devserver systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: Bring up/down networking.
>>>>> -- Subject: Unit network.service has failed
>>>>> -- Defined-By: systemd
>>>>> -- Support:
>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
>>>>> --
>>>>> -- Unit network.service has failed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This may show the problem, but it shows what I already know. I went
>>>>> to that site "freedesktop" and search for key words that were in this
>>>>> error......, nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if this erorrs tells you something that I cannot readily see, I
>>>>> am all ears (or eyes, as this is email...)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bingo, Huston we found the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The old scripts are using systemctl so for backwards compatability.
>>>>>> Look in the journal and it should tell you what is wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the command off the top of my head is something like
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #journalctl --unit=network
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 11:53 PM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, when I start/stop the network service, I use the following
>>>>>>> command....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [root@devserver]# /etc/init.d/network stop
>>>>>>> Stopping network (via systemctrl)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [root@devserver]# /etc/init.d/network start
>>>>>>> Starting network (via systemctrl)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I run the commands that you gave earlier after starting fails...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the result..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> network.service loaded failed failed LSB: Bring up/down networking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If your interface has no IP, you can't communicate out to anywhere,
>>>>>>>> and we are back to the conversation about starting and enabling your
>>>>>>>> network service.
>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 11:45 PM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thats the point.... I dont have an IP address...there is nothing
>>>>>>>>> that I put to scan it. My NIC was allowing it when I was at Starbucks..
>>>>>>>>> That is why I think its my router, as such isnt the router that assigns IP
>>>>>>>>> address to the network when using DHCP?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, down to two possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nmap is a scanner. It is trying to identify your VM and probe
>>>>>>>>>> for open ports.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you scanned by name... it did not understand that name.
>>>>>>>>>> Your router is external to all of this, and should not be involved at all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try nmap by IP address.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If that still results in nothing, add a virtual network via
>>>>>>>>>> VMware or VBox. Next add a new virtual network adapter to your VM, and
>>>>>>>>>> connect it to the new network. This should be a private network between
>>>>>>>>>> host and client. Config your interface in the VM. This will resolve your
>>>>>>>>>> problem. In this case, your NIC is not allowing traffic to go out, then
>>>>>>>>>> back in to itself. The traffic is almost certainly not going to your
>>>>>>>>>> router then back.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 10:41 PM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> netstat -plant
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> liastening on ports 25 and 22 both for IPv4 nad IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Result from the nmap(windows version)
>>>>>>>>>>> Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-02-03 22:36 US
>>>>>>>>>>> Mountain Standard Time
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NSE: Loaded 118 scripts for scanning.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NSE: Script Pre-scanning.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NSE: Script Post-scanning.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Read data files from: C:\Program Files (x86)\Nmap
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nmap done: 0 IP addresses (0 hosts up) scanned in 4.20 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Raw packets sent: 0 (0B) | Rcvd: 0 (0B)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Failed to resolve "devserver".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING: No targets were specified, so 0 hosts scanned.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would ahave asusmed the the above results as the dhcp server
>>>>>>>>>>> is not generating a IPv4 address
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) The netstat does not show the binding to port 21... this
>>>>>>>>>>> means SSHD did not start.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am guessing port 22 is OK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) netstat shows SSHD, but the firewall is not allowing it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Open the firewall
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Firewall is already disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) netstat shows SSHD, the firewall is open, but you still
>>>>>>>>>>> don't see the port open via nmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3a) if you see other ports open, I would look at the Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> firewall
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows firewall allowed it on a Public network (startbuck), so
>>>>>>>>>>> why not allow it at my home
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3b) If you don't see any ports open, you have two options
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3b1) Make sure your NIC (from the Windows side) is in
>>>>>>>>>>> promiscuous mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dont know how to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3b2) If it is already in promiscuous mode, then this may
>>>>>>>>>>> not work in this configuration. In this case, try adding a private network
>>>>>>>>>>> on a second NIC, and communicate with the VM over that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ill try to connect to my ethernet adpater and see if that is it,
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe its my wireless adapter....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Kevin Fries <
>>>>>>>>>>> kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, sorry, I misunderstood.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nmap could be your friend here. Install it on your Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. It will install the graphical tool automatically in Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Point this at your VM, and do a "intense scan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next, on the Linux VM, do a
>>>>>>>>>>>> # netstat -plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zenmap/Nmap will tell you what ports it can see open from its
>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the link. The netstat command will tell you which ports are opened
>>>>>>>>>>>> by running software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, on the Linux VM, do a
>>>>>>>>>>>> # ip tables -L
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will tell you which ports the firewall will allow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, you have a few possibilities:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) The netstat does not show the binding to port 21... this
>>>>>>>>>>>> means SSHD did not start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) netstat shows SSHD, but the firewall is not allowing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open the firewall
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) netstat shows SSHD, the firewall is open, but you still
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see the port open via nmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3a) if you see other ports open, I would look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows firewall
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3b) If you don't see any ports open, you have two options
>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3b1) Make sure your NIC (from the Windows side) is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> promiscuous mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3b2) If it is already in promiscuous mode, then this may
>>>>>>>>>>>> not work in this configuration. In this case, try adding a private network
>>>>>>>>>>>> on a second NIC, and communicate with the VM over that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 9:58 PM, "Michael Torres" <matorres124@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no, I didnt issue any commands other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/to/network/script/network start /path/to/network/script/network stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the commands to disable firewall/SELINUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I didnt use any systemctrl commands., but I tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run the commands that you just provided and nothing happened. I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably say that I know that IPv6 is enalbed and have network connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the net work and I can ping yahoo.com etc..... I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cant SSH(putty) to the server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This all leads me to beleive that there is a configuration in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my router that is not allowing me to get a IPv4 address. Does the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway have to be a certain number? I have manually configured that IP on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my router a long time ago, but even then I had Bridged networking working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Kevin Fries <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your network is probably not getting started. The enp0p3 is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name of an interface started almost definantly by systemd, not the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RHEL way. This is likely why the networking-scripts didn't work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you were at Starbucks, you likely did a systemctl start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the interface. Look in your history for it. If you find it, issue the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same command again. If your interface comes up correctly, reissue the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command once again, substituting enable for start. This second command is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to a chkconfig command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know how that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 9:13 PM, "Michael Torres" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matorres124@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The result of that command is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 loaded units listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I ran a what it suggested: systemctl list-unit-files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of everything says "static" but some are "enabled"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or "disabled"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, because I cannot copy or capture a screen shot, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a specific list item that you need to see?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Kevin Fries <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # systemctl --failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And post the results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 8:37 PM, "Michael Torres" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matorres124@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arrghh....yes its configured. But I am having an issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting the cat /etc/sysconfig/network-script/ifcfg-enp0s3..........because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cant connect, I cant ssh in to use outty so I can copy using my mouse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried taking a screen shot, but VBox for some reason wont display on on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "print screen"command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a particular setting you are looking for? again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file is configured and it is reading it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Stephen M <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smelheim85@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember if this is a problem in centos 7 as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in 6. But check to make sure the eth0 is configured. But yes a print
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of ifconfig inside vox would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2015 8:07 PM, "Michael Torres" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matorres124@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an problem that I cannot seem to figure out.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to use "Bridged" networking in Virtual Box
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a CentOS 7 minimum install distro that I want to use for my development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have used Bridged networking in the past and never had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any issues but that was with older versions of CentOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue.... DHCP will not assign a IPv4 address to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the weird part... I was at startbucks and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually got it to work! (Please, hold the "Just use it at starbucks then"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments..I know....)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the process I used...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Installed a fresh CentOS 7 on VBox
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -While on NAT, I performed "yum update" so my server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was fresh with the latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Disabled SELinux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Disabled the Firewall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Shut down server to reconfigure the adapter to "Bridged"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -used adapter type of "Intel Pro 1000 MT Desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (82540EM)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -set it to "Promiscuous Mode"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -restart the server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, at Starbucks it assigned a IP address, so this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leads me to believe that the issue is with a configuration on my router.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not very good at networking, so any help would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need error messages or other output, let me know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and possibly the command as I don't know networking that well other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ifconfig")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
---------------------------------------------------
PLUG-discuss mailing list -
PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss