Lisa,
to me, being someone who has a good relationship with PLUG and Hans, I
feel that your post is offensive, not just to Hans, but to everyone who
considers PLUG to be a positive influence for the greater metro Phoenix
area.
Can the functioning of PLUG be improved? Of course, like almost
everything. I for my part appreciate the work PLUG (and by extension
Hans) is doing, and given the demands of our individual lives, I believe
it is commendable!
Regarding your claims of sexual harassment, you might want to consider
its definition (which, as you might now, governs the workplace). I found
this link
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm From the
information I have, it seems unlikely that what you describe would
qualify for sexual harassment!
I think your post abundantly shows your displeasure with the way things
are, and you don't have to repeat it any more. If you have such a low
opinion of matters relating to PLUG, you always have the options to
either branch out on your own, or find an organization with which you
can have a better relationship.
I wish you lots of success with the hackfest and other efforts you
undertake, and I hope you are sufficiently motivated by their benefits,
and can accept others making decisions about calendar entries that you
disagree with.
Walter
On 11/30/2014 08:22 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Hans/(All),
>
> PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is
> going to have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via
> schedule removal a healthy regular popular venue.
>
> PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") is going to have to reference when those rules
> were published and when they were delivered to me.
>
> EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not
> allow:
>
> 1) Specific wording in announcements.
> 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
> 3) Presentation postings.
>
> Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own
> websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include:
>
> Ryan Rix
> Alan Dayley
> Joseph Sinclair
> Brian Cluff
> Alexander Henry
>
> The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with
> other cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los
> Angeles and Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG
> can be.
>
> Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars
> each year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like
> Installfest without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3
> rider under another PLUG to allow income tax relief.
>
> Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and
> issues:
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and
> venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools
> (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct
> teacher]) are obvious.
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year
> successful event like the HackFest is HUGE.
>
> I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want
> support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove
> "Presidential dictatorship") with a long laundry list of reasons from
> sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger
> to women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during
> public community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) to
> outright misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local
> businesses] and PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project
> ABLEConf) as well as inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa
> Community College during "OpenSource" community venues.
>
> I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities,
> but "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live
> in threat of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle
> relationships" (or make decisions like drop a healthy venue without
> written rules or warning) is nothing more than a "GANG" and is
> destined to die.
>
> 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from
> the calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not
> called or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active
> interns have been historically very changeable and this could be
> easily arranged at DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
> 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more
> than one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? It is not
> on any of the mailing list phxlinux.org <http://phxlinux.org> pages?
>
> 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any
> PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day?
> Is that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]
>
> I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released
> in the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will
> happily leave the phxlinux.org <http://phxlinux.org> and PLUG name out
> of that code.
>
> Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the
> mailing lists.
>
> Happy ThanksGiving
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com
> <mailto:PLUGd@lufthans.com>> wrote:
>
> Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
>
> moin moin Lisa,
>
> I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd
> Saturday of
> every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?
>
>
> You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your
> own web
> site and mailing list for your group.
>
>
>
> You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
> cross-posting to multiple lists.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
>
> Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students
> from ITT and
> strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra
> credit to their
> security students for attendance.
>
> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is
> actually
> used in context with student related open source activities)
> at OneNeck
> which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN
> server, Security
> Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration
> purposes, all of
> which has been built entirely with community contributed
> assets and intern
> effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use,
> promotional tee
> shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.
>
> We have a large following of local security professionals,
> with visits from
> University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the
> Army and
> GoDaddy staff.
>
> I have received no notice related to any new requirements or
> change?
>
> I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list
> since 2008
> and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?
>
> Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the
> PLUG Schedule.
>
> 2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
> DeVry University
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.PhxLinux.org/
> # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from
> AOL. The
> # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal"
> is like
> # a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from
> AOHell :).
>
>
>
>
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