http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
I use them often at installfests for softraid
I think a lot of stuff got removed when ubuntu got too big to fit on a cd
they did not want to go to a dvd but after removing non pae they lost
support for machines and had to go to dvd anyway
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Michael Butash <
michael@butash.net> wrote:
>
> On 07/28/2014 08:15 AM, Kevin Fries wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu has made themselves the self appointed champion of the stupid IMHO.
>>
> Someone has to adopt the windoze refugees as they flee 20 years of
> perpetual infection. Friends don't let friends get sucked into apple's
> walled garden. I dislike the ui and function (and company), I don't really
> get it...
>
> Sad part is, it really was fairly pure before Canonical tried to reinvent
> the wheel with Unity, and moved their platform around it. People didn't
> want a touch-y ui then, windows 8 users hate it forced upon them now.
> Canonical just made some bad core decisions how to advance the os as a
> distribution, where breaking it off from d-i began to destabilize
> repeatable process for upgrade and sanity control. No upgrade was ever the
> same or sane after 10.10-ish.
>
> But...
>>
>> If you are to the point of wanting your system your way, its time to
>> upgrade your distro to something a little more professional.
>>
> I put Arch on my asus laptop, which between the crazy 2880x1800 display
> and nvidia gpu, freaked the heck out of ubuntu to the point even the
> desktop installer was unstable to use. Why? Ubuntu team trying to
> composite everything even in the live desktop caused the oss nvidia driver
> to freak. Having to dissect ubuntu installer to make raid/crypto/lvm go
> for years made Arch a walk in the park, but it was a raring pain.
>
> Automating the process would be an issue I think, where things like d-i
> make pretty sane assumptions to launch systems. This is where redhat,
> cent, anything deb-based with a solid repo, shine for use in enterprise and
> infrastructure. Not sure Arch will be there until some folks can script
> the install and make it flexible for disk-based recipes and types of
> installs. Might as well use rh/deb...
>
>
>> But Arch is not for amateurs. I would never put my mom on Arch for
>> example. This distro expects that you know what you are doing. But, if
>> you have the skill, you will completely avoid the decision making of Red
>> Hat/Suse/Canonical/etc. This distro for the most part keeps things very
>> clean, and expects that YOU will tweak things as you desire.
>>
> I got kde installed on Arch as a quick win via the setup howto, but
> everything was a little jacked up, unfinished, and in general missing a lot
> of key packages and setup that I sort of expect from Kubuntu. I then went
> to install gnome for a base of gtk (most all of the kde was broken using
> anything that required gtk-base, like most everything else), and really
> couldn't figure out how to add a new login option easily to switch between
> (bad lightdm setup?), and it didn't fix entirely the kde using gtk apps
> issue. This frustrated me immensely, ended up back at ubuntu hacking until
> it sorta worked.
>
> I also wasn't sure how well things like video upgrades ala dkms worked, if
> steam would work on Arch, other mainline things from deb/ubuntu-based
> systems. Experiences with Arch here are welcome and encouraged.
>
> My last straw of ubuntu was trying to install 14.04 on my rebuilt desktop
> recently. I ended up spending half a day playing peek a boo trying to
> figure out where the console was spawning on the system between the
> integrated intel and my 6-head card. Bios would spawn to external, console
> would cling to igfx with a monitor or not, and display would eventually
> work somewhere between both, totally screwing up everything else. ATI
> drivers refused to behave with the i915 active, and I couldn't seem to kill
> it even with a grub flag.
>
> Then another half a day giving up trying to make my raid, crypto, and lvm
> setup work. It didn't, and I started burning Mint cd's, ending up with
> Mint Debian Edition with Mate.
>
> The obscenities borne toward ubuntu that day shall never be repeated.
>
>
>> Just my $0.02
>> Kevin Fries
>>
>>
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