http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads I use them often at installfests for softraid I think a lot of stuff got removed when ubuntu got too big to fit on a cd they did not want to go to a dvd but after removing non pae they lost support for machines and had to go to dvd anyway On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Michael Butash wrote: > > On 07/28/2014 08:15 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: > >> Ubuntu has made themselves the self appointed champion of the stupid IMHO. >> > Someone has to adopt the windoze refugees as they flee 20 years of > perpetual infection. Friends don't let friends get sucked into apple's > walled garden. I dislike the ui and function (and company), I don't really > get it... > > Sad part is, it really was fairly pure before Canonical tried to reinvent > the wheel with Unity, and moved their platform around it. People didn't > want a touch-y ui then, windows 8 users hate it forced upon them now. > Canonical just made some bad core decisions how to advance the os as a > distribution, where breaking it off from d-i began to destabilize > repeatable process for upgrade and sanity control. No upgrade was ever the > same or sane after 10.10-ish. > > But... >> >> If you are to the point of wanting your system your way, its time to >> upgrade your distro to something a little more professional. >> > I put Arch on my asus laptop, which between the crazy 2880x1800 display > and nvidia gpu, freaked the heck out of ubuntu to the point even the > desktop installer was unstable to use. Why? Ubuntu team trying to > composite everything even in the live desktop caused the oss nvidia driver > to freak. Having to dissect ubuntu installer to make raid/crypto/lvm go > for years made Arch a walk in the park, but it was a raring pain. > > Automating the process would be an issue I think, where things like d-i > make pretty sane assumptions to launch systems. This is where redhat, > cent, anything deb-based with a solid repo, shine for use in enterprise and > infrastructure. Not sure Arch will be there until some folks can script > the install and make it flexible for disk-based recipes and types of > installs. Might as well use rh/deb... > > >> But Arch is not for amateurs. I would never put my mom on Arch for >> example. This distro expects that you know what you are doing. But, if >> you have the skill, you will completely avoid the decision making of Red >> Hat/Suse/Canonical/etc. This distro for the most part keeps things very >> clean, and expects that YOU will tweak things as you desire. >> > I got kde installed on Arch as a quick win via the setup howto, but > everything was a little jacked up, unfinished, and in general missing a lot > of key packages and setup that I sort of expect from Kubuntu. I then went > to install gnome for a base of gtk (most all of the kde was broken using > anything that required gtk-base, like most everything else), and really > couldn't figure out how to add a new login option easily to switch between > (bad lightdm setup?), and it didn't fix entirely the kde using gtk apps > issue. This frustrated me immensely, ended up back at ubuntu hacking until > it sorta worked. > > I also wasn't sure how well things like video upgrades ala dkms worked, if > steam would work on Arch, other mainline things from deb/ubuntu-based > systems. Experiences with Arch here are welcome and encouraged. > > My last straw of ubuntu was trying to install 14.04 on my rebuilt desktop > recently. I ended up spending half a day playing peek a boo trying to > figure out where the console was spawning on the system between the > integrated intel and my 6-head card. Bios would spawn to external, console > would cling to igfx with a monitor or not, and display would eventually > work somewhere between both, totally screwing up everything else. ATI > drivers refused to behave with the i915 active, and I couldn't seem to kill > it even with a grub flag. > > Then another half a day giving up trying to make my raid, crypto, and lvm > setup work. It didn't, and I started burning Mint cd's, ending up with > Mint Debian Edition with Mate. > > The obscenities borne toward ubuntu that day shall never be repeated. > > >> Just my $0.02 >> Kevin Fries >> >> > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Todd Cole Ubuntu Arizona Team 4605 S PRIEST DR LOT 3 TEMPE AZ 85282-6507 toddc@azloco.com 602-677-9402