Not being voted on reminds me of the Tucson Free Unix Group that in 1992 or so decided no structure was all the structure they could handle.
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Keith Smith
--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lisa Kachold <
lisakachold@obnosis.com> wrote:
From: Lisa Kachold <
lisakachold@obnosis.com>
Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 1:55 PM
All,
Since Society has changed, and people who used to have a great deal of time and resources are scrambling to take lower quality jobs, or second contracts to feed their families, politics is of great importance.
Politics has always been a big subject for Unix/Linux-ites. I suggested that we add a non-archived list expressly for the purpose of political discourse.
Of course that suggestion was NEVER VOTED On!
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, keith smith <
klsmith2020@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else!
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Keith Smith
--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens <
bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Michael Havens <
bmike1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions
To:
nathan@nmecs.com, "Main PLUG discussion list" <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities.
:-)~MIKE~(-:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England <
nathan@nmecs.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote:
Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that. I support you being
outspoken about the issues in your private space. But the PLUG list is a
communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms. For instance: no
shoes, no shirt, no service. That establishes norms for certain areas that
contain that banner. Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also
about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse set of
participants.
Ted
What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been on
this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many people
whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since the
beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things that
we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means for
creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us.
Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else
and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is tolerant of
anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending someone
else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every word
spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*.
Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third
grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions
and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them!
God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know
what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not
agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can no
longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would
not share my own.
When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to be
filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was a brilliant
idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing
opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than
large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their deeds.
What a loser.
If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become
moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this
list.
Nathan
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