Not being voted on reminds me of the Tucson Free Unix Group that in 1992 or so decided no structure was all the structure they could handle.  ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lisa Kachold wrote: From: Lisa Kachold Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 1:55 PM All, Since Society has changed, and people who used to have a great deal of time and resources are scrambling to take lower quality jobs, or second contracts to feed their families, politics is of great importance. Politics has always been a big subject for Unix/Linux-ites.   I suggested that we add a non-archived list expressly for the purpose of political discourse. Of course that suggestion was NEVER VOTED On! On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, keith smith wrote: Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else! ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens wrote: From: Michael Havens Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions To: nathan@nmecs.com, "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote: Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that.  I support you being outspoken about the issues in your private space.  But the PLUG list is a communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms.  For instance: no shoes, no shirt, no service.  That establishes norms for certain areas that contain that banner.  Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse set of participants. Ted What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been on this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many people whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since the beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things that we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means for creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us. Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is tolerant of anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending someone else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every word spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*. Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them! God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can no longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would not share my own. When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to be filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was  a brilliant idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their deeds. What a loser. If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this list. Nathan -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown -----Inline Attachment Follows----- --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss