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Author: AZ TwoSixZeroZero
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Subject: Re: PLUG West Side Meetings (Joe Gibbs)
Joe,

We used to have a the Free Software Stammtisch (Avondale) that was sort of
like the "Westside" PLUG meeting, but the guy who was in charge of it moved
to Texas. I was thinking about trying to revive it recently by combining
the EMCC-LUG and the WS PLUG into one.

Just a thought...

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> 1. kernel modules missing symbols and not loading (Nathan England)
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> 3. Re: harddrive keeps restarting (Lisa Kachold)
> 4. Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Joe Gibbs)
> 5. PLUG West Side Meetings (Joe Gibbs)
> 6. Re: PLUG West Side Meetings (=?utf-8?B?THlsZSBUdXR0bGU=?=)
> 7. Re: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Lisa Kachold)
> 8. RE: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Carruth, Rusty)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 15:29:29 -0700
> From: Nathan England <>
> To:
> Subject: kernel modules missing symbols and not loading
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> Hello Hello,
>
> I have run into a problem that has stumped me. I downloaded the kernel
> source
> for linux 3.3.4 and configured it the way I want it. I started by untarring
> the linux-3.3.4.tar.bz2 file then running
>
> make mrproper
> make prepare
> make menuconfig
>
> After configuring I ran
>
> cat .config > myConfig.3.3.4
> make bzImage
>
> After that finished I copied the kernel to my boot folder so I could boot
> it
> after building the modules, then started over again and ran
>
> make mrproper
> make prepare
>
> But this time I copied my config file to .config and ran
>
> make modules
>
> After a while it finished and I installed the modules via
>
> make modules_install
> depmod -a 3.3.4-mykernel
>
> Everything worked correctly with no errors. I rebooted and the system gave
> me
> constant errors saying xx kernel module could not be loaded because it was
> missing symbols. When I configured the kernel I included all the options
> necessary under Module versioning support, ie;
>
> (Module versioning support)
> MODVERSIONS=y
> (source checksum for all modules)
> MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL=y
>
> I assumed this was all I needed to make the modules work. Now I know you
> are
> going to say why didn't I just compile the kernel and modules together?
>
> I wanted to build the kernel and modules separately so I could have one
> kernel
> optimized for my netbook and one for my Core2Duo without having to
> recompile
> everything. I wanted to tar it all up and copy it over. But the kernels and
> modules will not work together on either system. So what gives?
>
> I googled around but only found old documents talking about this, is there
> something new with 3.3.4? I have done this before with older kernels before
> the 3 series, but I have not attempted since 3.x has come out.
>
> I appreciate all your advice!
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan England
>
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> From: Mike Bushroe <>
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> Matt,
> thanks for suggesting smartctl. Ubuntu had loaded a GUI version. It looks
> fine on all drives but the smallest (and therefore probably oldest) one. I
> had to apt-get install smartmontools to get the command line version. The
> GUI was returning almost immediately from the self test with no values for
> any test parameters. The command line gave the data below. The error count
> kept increasing when I re-ran it. It looks like the drive is trying to
> start up and finding a smart mode error. If I just mount the volume (VFAT),
> it does not make the sound and the directory appears to work correctly
> (virtually nothing left on that drive, anyway). But when I unmount it, and
> try to run tests, it starts making the sounds again every minute or so, and
> the error count begins to go up again. I guess it is time to shred the
> drive. remove it and throw it away.
>
> Mike
>
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: UNKNOWN!
> SMART Status, Attributes and Thresholds cannot be read.
>
> SMART Error Log Version: 1
> Warning: ATA error count 9953 inconsistent with error log pointer 5
>
> ATA Error Count: 9953 (device log contains only the most recent five
> errors)
>        CR = Command Register [HEX]
>        FR = Features Register [HEX]
>        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
>        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
>        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
>        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
>        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
>        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
>        ER = Error register [HEX]
>        ST = Status register [HEX]
> Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
> DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
> SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

>
> Error 9953 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 8634 hours (359 days + 18
> hours)
> When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an
> unknown state.
>
> After command completion occurred, registers were:
> ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
> -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 04 51 00 07 4f c2 10 Error: ABRT
>
> Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
> CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
> b0 da 00 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:16.032 SMART RETURN STATUS
> b0 d0 01 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:12.992 SMART READ DATA
> ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE
> ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE
> ca 00 01 a4 88 03 f0 08 17d+09:02:49.152 WRITE DMA
>
>
> --
> But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:52:54 -0700
> From: Lisa Kachold <>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <>
> Subject: Re: harddrive keeps restarting
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> On 5/1/12, Mike Bushroe <> wrote:
> > Matt,
> > thanks for suggesting smartctl. Ubuntu had loaded a GUI version. It
> looks
> > fine on all drives but the smallest (and therefore probably oldest) one.
> I
> > had to apt-get install smartmontools to get the command line version. The
> > GUI was returning almost immediately from the self test with no values
> for
> > any test parameters. The command line gave the data below. The error
> count
> > kept increasing when I re-ran it. It looks like the drive is trying to
> > start up and finding a smart mode error. If I just mount the volume
> (VFAT),
> > it does not make the sound and the directory appears to work correctly
> > (virtually nothing left on that drive, anyway). But when I unmount it,
> and
> > try to run tests, it starts making the sounds again every minute or so,
> and
> > the error count begins to go up again. I guess it is time to shred the
> > drive. remove it and throw it away.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: UNKNOWN!
> > SMART Status, Attributes and Thresholds cannot be read.
> >
> > SMART Error Log Version: 1
> > Warning: ATA error count 9953 inconsistent with error log pointer 5
> >
> > ATA Error Count: 9953 (device log contains only the most recent five
> > errors)
> >         CR = Command Register [HEX]
> >         FR = Features Register [HEX]
> >         SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
> >         SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
> >         CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
> >         CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
> >         DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
> >         DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
> >         ER = Error register [HEX]
> >         ST = Status register [HEX]
> > Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
> > DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
> > SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

> >
> > Error 9953 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 8634 hours (359 days + 18
> > hours)
> > When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an
> > unknown state.
> >
> > After command completion occurred, registers were:
> > ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > 04 51 00 07 4f c2 10 Error: ABRT
> >
> > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
> > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
> > b0 da 00 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:16.032 SMART RETURN STATUS
> > b0 d0 01 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:12.992 SMART READ DATA
> > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE
> > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE
> > ca 00 01 a4 88 03 f0 08 17d+09:02:49.152 WRITE DMA
> >
> >
> > --
> > But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri
> >
> "Pre-fail" is the name (or description) of that particular SMART
> counter, as is "Old Age". If there were positive and increasing values
> in those rows, it could indicate a pre-failure condition. A brand new
> drive still has prefail and old-age counters, even though it may not
> fail or be old for years to come.
>
> This just looks like you have an older drive where the counters are no
> longer within acceptable range.
>
> Do you have power management on this drive?
>
> This could also cause that ABRT error.
>
> The gist is that the read/write head on these drives parks itself too
> often. While this does result in power savings while parked, the
> drives are only designed to support 300k parks (consumer drives) or
> 600k parks (enterprise/RE2 edition).
>
> Either way, the smart data will show how many times the head has been
> parked via the "Load_Cycle_Count" parameter.
>
> An (edited) example:
>
> smartctl -a /dev/sda
> Power_On_Hours 3377
> Load_Cycle_Count 97972
>
> The "solution" so far has been to use the "wdidle3.exe" DOS utility
> provided by Western Digital to change the head-park idle timer to a
> different value (or disable it all together).
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:38:00 -0700
> From: Joe Gibbs <>
> To: 
> Cc: Joseph Gibbs <>
> Subject: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions
> Message-ID:
>        <

> >
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>
> Hi
>
> I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work
> related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop).
>
> I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the
> moment) and have a question for the group.
>
> Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL,
> OpenSSh and some other server packages installed. I will be installing
> Oracle next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04
> upgrade I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from
> anything on the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A local
> ssh connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside the
> box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any
> running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue.
>
> Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term solution
> for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with my 4x
> upgraded Desktop version?
>
> and
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can look into to resolve my
> network connection issue ?
>
> Thanks
> Joe Gibbs
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> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:52:31 -0700
> From: Joe Gibbs <>
> To: PLUG discuss list <>
> Subject: PLUG West Side Meetings
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> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if they still have the West Side PLUG meetings?
>
> Thanks
> Joe Gibbs
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> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 11:26:03 -0700
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>
> we do not but we should how about you start it
>
> Lyle sent this from his Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smart phone
>
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> From: "Joe Gibbs" <>
> To: "PLUG discuss list" <>
> Subject: PLUG West Side Meetings
> Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 10:52 am
> Hi
> Does anyone know if they still have the West Side PLUG meetings?
> ThanksJoe Gibbs
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:56:05 -0700
> From: Lisa Kachold <>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <>
> Cc: Joseph Gibbs <>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions
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>
> Hi Joseph,
>
> On 5/2/12, Joe Gibbs <> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work
> > related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop).
> >
> > I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the
> > moment) and have a question for the group.
> >
> > Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL,
> > OpenSSh and some other server packages installed. I will be installing
> > Oracle next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04
> > upgrade I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from
> > anything on the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A
> local
> > ssh connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside
> the
> > box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any
> > running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue.
>
> You have multiple issues:
>
> 1) Existing User Space - You really already have this with the Desktop
> applications and a hardened kernel:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
>
> 2) Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade
>
> See this post:
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126573/ethernet-connectivity-problems-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-12-04lts
>
> 3) Need for Oracle
>
> Please follow the instructions here to setup Oracle on 12.04
> (everything should be the same): for 11gR2:
>
> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2301639
>
> > Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term
> solution
> > for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with my 4x
> > upgraded Desktop version?
>
> What's the difference between desktop and server?
>
>    The first difference is in the CD contents. The "Server" CD avoids
> including what Ubuntu considers desktop packages (packages like X,
> Gnome or KDE), but does include server related packages (Apache2,
> Bind9 and so on). Using a Desktop CD with a minimal installation and
> installing, for example, apache2 from the network, one can obtain the
> exact same result that can be obtained by inserting the Server CD and
> installing apache2 from the CD-ROM.

>
>    The Ubuntu Server Edition installation process is slightly
> different from the Desktop Edition. Since by default Ubuntu Server
> doesn't have a GUI, the process is menu driven, very similar to the
> Alternate CD installation process.

>
>    Ubuntu server installs a server-optimized kernel (tcp/ip settings
> and hardened kernel) by default.

>
>    Ubuntu Desktop will receive 3 years of support, while Ubuntu
> Server will be supported for 5 years.

>
> Is this a public facing machine?
>
> It would probably be best to stay with your Desktop and just harden
> the /etc/sysctl.conf switches, turn off all non-essential services
> (bluetooth) and provide internal TRUST ip firewalling (if necessary).
>
>
> > Thanks
> > Joe Gibbs
> >
>
>
> --
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:59:39 -0700
> From: "Carruth, Rusty" <>
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
>        <>
> Cc: Joseph Gibbs <>
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions
> Message-ID:

>
> <>
>
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>
> Cannot answer the question, but I can tell you where to look to see why
> the system is no longer on the network.
>
>
>
> On the box which is no longer seen by the rest of your network:
>
>
>
> First, check to see that the Ethernet device you are connecting to the
> network is up and configured. Use ifconfig for that.
>
> Next, make sure the routing tables are correct. Use route for that.
>
> Next, make sure you can get outside. Easiest way is to go to a remote
> web page.
>
> Next, instead of using 'localhost' as the name for the machine, try
> using its externally-visible IP address. E.G. if it is 10.5.1.2 then
> use 10.5.1.2 instead of localhost for one of your 'inside the box'
> tests.
>
>
>
> All that will verify that the box is on your network and listening to
> the external IP address to serve requests.
>
>
>
> Now, from a remote machine, try to ping that machine. If it answers,
> then you can reach it and things should have been working. Note also
> that pinging or tracerouting with a port number can reveal listening
> issues as well.
>
>
>
> If you know when the change from working to not working happened, do a
> find from /etc for any files which have changed since that 'known time'
> (e.g. find /etc -newer <file with older-than date>)
>
>
>
> Of course, this is all generic stuff, Lisa just said something very
> ubuntu-specific. See her info first, but for everyone else the above
> might help in time of need J
>
>
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe
> Gibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:38 AM
> To:
> Cc: Joseph Gibbs
> Subject: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work
> related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop).
>
>
>
> I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the
> moment) and have a question for the group.
>
>
>
> Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL, OpenSSh
> and some other server packages installed. I will be installing Oracle
> next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04 upgrade
> I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from anything on
> the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A local ssh
> connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside the
> box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any
> running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue.
>
>
>
> Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term
> solution for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with
> my 4x upgraded Desktop version?
>
>
>
> and
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can look into to resolve
> my network connection issue ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Gibbs
>
>
>
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