Joe, We used to have a the Free Software Stammtisch (Avondale) that was sort of like the "Westside" PLUG meeting, but the guy who was in charge of it moved to Texas. I was thinking about trying to revive it recently by combining the EMCC-LUG and the WS PLUG into one. Just a thought... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM, < plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> wrote: > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-request@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-discuss-owner@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. kernel modules missing symbols and not loading (Nathan England) > 2. RE: harddrive keeps restarting (Mike Bushroe) > 3. Re: harddrive keeps restarting (Lisa Kachold) > 4. Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Joe Gibbs) > 5. PLUG West Side Meetings (Joe Gibbs) > 6. Re: PLUG West Side Meetings (=?utf-8?B?THlsZSBUdXR0bGU=?=) > 7. Re: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Lisa Kachold) > 8. RE: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions (Carruth, Rusty) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 15:29:29 -0700 > From: Nathan England > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: kernel modules missing symbols and not loading > Message-ID: <3182823.r2jDsolsb3@thinkpad.nmecs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hello Hello, > > I have run into a problem that has stumped me. I downloaded the kernel > source > for linux 3.3.4 and configured it the way I want it. I started by untarring > the linux-3.3.4.tar.bz2 file then running > > make mrproper > make prepare > make menuconfig > > After configuring I ran > > cat .config > myConfig.3.3.4 > make bzImage > > After that finished I copied the kernel to my boot folder so I could boot > it > after building the modules, then started over again and ran > > make mrproper > make prepare > > But this time I copied my config file to .config and ran > > make modules > > After a while it finished and I installed the modules via > > make modules_install > depmod -a 3.3.4-mykernel > > Everything worked correctly with no errors. I rebooted and the system gave > me > constant errors saying xx kernel module could not be loaded because it was > missing symbols. When I configured the kernel I included all the options > necessary under Module versioning support, ie; > > (Module versioning support) > MODVERSIONS=y > (source checksum for all modules) > MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL=y > > I assumed this was all I needed to make the modules work. Now I know you > are > going to say why didn't I just compile the kernel and modules together? > > I wanted to build the kernel and modules separately so I could have one > kernel > optimized for my netbook and one for my Core2Duo without having to > recompile > everything. I wanted to tar it all up and copy it over. But the kernels and > modules will not work together on either system. So what gives? > > I googled around but only found old documents talking about this, is there > something new with 3.3.4? I have done this before with older kernels before > the 3 series, but I have not attempted since 3.x has come out. > > I appreciate all your advice! > > -- > > Regards, > > Nathan England > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > NME Computer Services http://www.nmecs.com > Nathan England (nathan@nmecs.com) > Systems Administration / Web Application Development > Information Security and Consulting > (480) 559.9681 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120501/ca677068/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 490 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120501/ca677068/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:53:09 -0700 > From: Mike Bushroe > To: PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: harddrive keeps restarting > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Matt, > thanks for suggesting smartctl. Ubuntu had loaded a GUI version. It looks > fine on all drives but the smallest (and therefore probably oldest) one. I > had to apt-get install smartmontools to get the command line version. The > GUI was returning almost immediately from the self test with no values for > any test parameters. The command line gave the data below. The error count > kept increasing when I re-ran it. It looks like the drive is trying to > start up and finding a smart mode error. If I just mount the volume (VFAT), > it does not make the sound and the directory appears to work correctly > (virtually nothing left on that drive, anyway). But when I unmount it, and > try to run tests, it starts making the sounds again every minute or so, and > the error count begins to go up again. I guess it is time to shred the > drive. remove it and throw it away. > > Mike > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: UNKNOWN! > SMART Status, Attributes and Thresholds cannot be read. > > SMART Error Log Version: 1 > Warning: ATA error count 9953 inconsistent with error log pointer 5 > > ATA Error Count: 9953 (device log contains only the most recent five > errors) > CR = Command Register [HEX] > FR = Features Register [HEX] > SC = Sector Count Register [HEX] > SN = Sector Number Register [HEX] > CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX] > CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX] > DH = Device/Head Register [HEX] > DC = Device Command Register [HEX] > ER = Error register [HEX] > ST = Status register [HEX] > Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as > DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes, > SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days. > > Error 9953 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 8634 hours (359 days + 18 > hours) > When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an > unknown state. > > After command completion occurred, registers were: > ER ST SC SN CL CH DH > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > 04 51 00 07 4f c2 10 Error: ABRT > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- > b0 da 00 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:16.032 SMART RETURN STATUS > b0 d0 01 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:12.992 SMART READ DATA > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE > ca 00 01 a4 88 03 f0 08 17d+09:02:49.152 WRITE DMA > > > -- > But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120501/5f0c41af/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:52:54 -0700 > From: Lisa Kachold > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: harddrive keeps restarting > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 5/1/12, Mike Bushroe wrote: > > Matt, > > thanks for suggesting smartctl. Ubuntu had loaded a GUI version. It > looks > > fine on all drives but the smallest (and therefore probably oldest) one. > I > > had to apt-get install smartmontools to get the command line version. The > > GUI was returning almost immediately from the self test with no values > for > > any test parameters. The command line gave the data below. The error > count > > kept increasing when I re-ran it. It looks like the drive is trying to > > start up and finding a smart mode error. If I just mount the volume > (VFAT), > > it does not make the sound and the directory appears to work correctly > > (virtually nothing left on that drive, anyway). But when I unmount it, > and > > try to run tests, it starts making the sounds again every minute or so, > and > > the error count begins to go up again. I guess it is time to shred the > > drive. remove it and throw it away. > > > > Mike > > > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: UNKNOWN! > > SMART Status, Attributes and Thresholds cannot be read. > > > > SMART Error Log Version: 1 > > Warning: ATA error count 9953 inconsistent with error log pointer 5 > > > > ATA Error Count: 9953 (device log contains only the most recent five > > errors) > > CR = Command Register [HEX] > > FR = Features Register [HEX] > > SC = Sector Count Register [HEX] > > SN = Sector Number Register [HEX] > > CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX] > > CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX] > > DH = Device/Head Register [HEX] > > DC = Device Command Register [HEX] > > ER = Error register [HEX] > > ST = Status register [HEX] > > Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as > > DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes, > > SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days. > > > > Error 9953 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 8634 hours (359 days + 18 > > hours) > > When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an > > unknown state. > > > > After command completion occurred, registers were: > > ER ST SC SN CL CH DH > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > 04 51 00 07 4f c2 10 Error: ABRT > > > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- > > b0 da 00 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:16.032 SMART RETURN STATUS > > b0 d0 01 00 4f c2 10 08 17d+09:09:12.992 SMART READ DATA > > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE > > ec 00 01 00 00 00 10 08 17d+09:09:12.976 IDENTIFY DEVICE > > ca 00 01 a4 88 03 f0 08 17d+09:02:49.152 WRITE DMA > > > > > > -- > > But he lives on in a Horcrux named Siri > > > "Pre-fail" is the name (or description) of that particular SMART > counter, as is "Old Age". If there were positive and increasing values > in those rows, it could indicate a pre-failure condition. A brand new > drive still has prefail and old-age counters, even though it may not > fail or be old for years to come. > > This just looks like you have an older drive where the counters are no > longer within acceptable range. > > Do you have power management on this drive? > > This could also cause that ABRT error. > > The gist is that the read/write head on these drives parks itself too > often. While this does result in power savings while parked, the > drives are only designed to support 300k parks (consumer drives) or > 600k parks (enterprise/RE2 edition). > > Either way, the smart data will show how many times the head has been > parked via the "Load_Cycle_Count" parameter. > > An (edited) example: > > smartctl -a /dev/sda > Power_On_Hours 3377 > Load_Cycle_Count 97972 > > The "solution" so far has been to use the "wdidle3.exe" DOS utility > provided by Western Digital to change the head-park idle timer to a > different value (or disable it all together). > -- > (503) 754-4452 Android > (623) 239-3392 Skype > (623) 688-3392 Google Voice > ** > it-clowns.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:38:00 -0700 > From: Joe Gibbs > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: Joseph Gibbs > Subject: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work > related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop). > > I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the > moment) and have a question for the group. > > Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL, > OpenSSh and some other server packages installed. I will be installing > Oracle next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04 > upgrade I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from > anything on the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A local > ssh connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside the > box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any > running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue. > > Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term solution > for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with my 4x > upgraded Desktop version? > > and > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can look into to resolve my > network connection issue ? > > Thanks > Joe Gibbs > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120502/a1981449/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:52:31 -0700 > From: Joe Gibbs > To: PLUG discuss list > Subject: PLUG West Side Meetings > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > Does anyone know if they still have the West Side PLUG meetings? > > Thanks > Joe Gibbs > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120502/45f5d3ab/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 11:26:03 -0700 > From: "=?utf-8?B?THlsZSBUdXR0bGU=?=" > To: "=?utf-8?B?TWFpbiBQTFVHIGRpc2N1c3Npb24gbGlzdA==?=" > > Subject: Re: PLUG West Side Meetings > Message-ID: > < > 20120502182549.WIDY9100.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > we do not but we should how about you start it > > Lyle sent this from his Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smart phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Joe Gibbs" > To: "PLUG discuss list" > Subject: PLUG West Side Meetings > Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 10:52 am > Hi > Does anyone know if they still have the West Side PLUG meetings? > ThanksJoe Gibbs > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120502/c9aedd0e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:56:05 -0700 > From: Lisa Kachold > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Cc: Joseph Gibbs > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Joseph, > > On 5/2/12, Joe Gibbs wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work > > related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop). > > > > I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the > > moment) and have a question for the group. > > > > Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL, > > OpenSSh and some other server packages installed. I will be installing > > Oracle next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04 > > upgrade I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from > > anything on the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A > local > > ssh connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside > the > > box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any > > running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue. > > You have multiple issues: > > 1) Existing User Space - You really already have this with the Desktop > applications and a hardened kernel: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule > > 2) Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade > > See this post: > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/126573/ethernet-connectivity-problems-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-12-04lts > > 3) Need for Oracle > > Please follow the instructions here to setup Oracle on 12.04 > (everything should be the same): for 11gR2: > > https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2301639 > > > Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term > solution > > for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with my 4x > > upgraded Desktop version? > > What's the difference between desktop and server? > > The first difference is in the CD contents. The "Server" CD avoids > including what Ubuntu considers desktop packages (packages like X, > Gnome or KDE), but does include server related packages (Apache2, > Bind9 and so on). Using a Desktop CD with a minimal installation and > installing, for example, apache2 from the network, one can obtain the > exact same result that can be obtained by inserting the Server CD and > installing apache2 from the CD-ROM. > > The Ubuntu Server Edition installation process is slightly > different from the Desktop Edition. Since by default Ubuntu Server > doesn't have a GUI, the process is menu driven, very similar to the > Alternate CD installation process. > > Ubuntu server installs a server-optimized kernel (tcp/ip settings > and hardened kernel) by default. > > Ubuntu Desktop will receive 3 years of support, while Ubuntu > Server will be supported for 5 years. > > Is this a public facing machine? > > It would probably be best to stay with your Desktop and just harden > the /etc/sysctl.conf switches, turn off all non-essential services > (bluetooth) and provide internal TRUST ip firewalling (if necessary). > > > > Thanks > > Joe Gibbs > > > > > -- > (503) 754-4452 Android > (623) 239-3392 Skype > (623) 688-3392 Google Voice > ** > it-clowns.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:59:39 -0700 > From: "Carruth, Rusty" > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > > Cc: Joseph Gibbs > Subject: RE: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions > Message-ID: > > <9EFFCEC257D2B649BCD6495F5C704AA910640E1E@sr-fre-exch01.smartm.internal> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Cannot answer the question, but I can tell you where to look to see why > the system is no longer on the network. > > > > On the box which is no longer seen by the rest of your network: > > > > First, check to see that the Ethernet device you are connecting to the > network is up and configured. Use ifconfig for that. > > Next, make sure the routing tables are correct. Use route for that. > > Next, make sure you can get outside. Easiest way is to go to a remote > web page. > > Next, instead of using 'localhost' as the name for the machine, try > using its externally-visible IP address. E.G. if it is 10.5.1.2 then > use 10.5.1.2 instead of localhost for one of your 'inside the box' > tests. > > > > All that will verify that the box is on your network and listening to > the external IP address to serve requests. > > > > Now, from a remote machine, try to ping that machine. If it answers, > then you can reach it and things should have been working. Note also > that pinging or tracerouting with a port number can reveal listening > issues as well. > > > > If you know when the change from working to not working happened, do a > find from /etc for any files which have changed since that 'known time' > (e.g. find /etc -newer ) > > > > Of course, this is all generic stuff, Lisa just said something very > ubuntu-specific. See her info first, but for everyone else the above > might help in time of need J > > > > Rusty > > > > > > From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe > Gibbs > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:38 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Cc: Joseph Gibbs > Subject: Ubuntu Desktop vrs Server versions > > > > > > Hi > > > > I have a small Dell box that I have been using off and on for misc work > related sw testing (started with v 9.x Desktop). > > > > I need to ramp up my personal training (as I am looking for work at the > moment) and have a question for the group. > > > > Currently I am running 12.04 Desktop version with Apache, MySQL, OpenSSh > and some other server packages installed. I will be installing Oracle > next week for my next training project. However after the 12.04 upgrade > I find that I can not access the Desktop Ubuntu machine from anything on > the local network. I can access apache, mysql locally. A local ssh > connections works just fine. Just can't do any of them from outside the > box from anything on my home/local network. I don't think there are any > running firewalls, so I am discounting that as an issue. > > > > Would a fresh install of the Server version be a better long term > solution for working with those type of packages, or should I stick with > my 4x upgraded Desktop version? > > > > and > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can look into to resolve > my network connection issue ? > > > > Thanks > > Joe Gibbs > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20120502/84b1ecec/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2 > ******************************************* >