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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Dan Lund <>wrote:

> Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
> <tongue-in-cheek>
>
> --Dan Lund
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mike Bushroe <> wrote:
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Joseph Sinclair <>
> >> To: Main PLUG discussion list <>
> >> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:47:12 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: Looking for NAS Hardware Recommendations
> >> It's in the firmware zip file[1], something like FWUpdate.exe (they
> change
> >> the name sometimes).
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.buffalotech.com/support/getfile/ls_series-143.zip
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07/13/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Joseph Sinclair
> >> > <>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The best suggestion I can make (other than waiting for acp_commander
> to
> >> >> get
> >> >> an update so it's able to open up the 1.43 firmware) is to use the
> >> >> Windows
> >> >> or Mac uploader to upload your modified firmware.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I installed the Windows sw that came with the box on the CD, but there
> >> > is no
> >> > option there to upload a file. Is there another piece of software that
> >> > is
> >> > the Windows uploader? Where do I get it?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On 07/13/2011 05:45 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Joseph Sinclair <
> >> >>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I missed the 1.43 part... Seems they've improved security.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If you can get a shell prompt with acp_commander, try running
> whoami.
> >> >>>> If
> >> >>>> you're already root, then "passwd -d root" will clear the current
> >> >> password,
> >> >>>> and you can then set it to anything you like with "passwd"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I get a shell prompt, but nothing seems to work. Every command
> returns
> >> >>> 3
> >> >>> blank lines and a prompt.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The only safe way to upload firmware is, unfortunately, a Windows
> or
> >> >>>> Mac
> >> >>>> binary that's included with the firmware update.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> That said, you can try
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou're<http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou%27re>
> >> >> brave.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> That looks good, but I cannot access /dev/fl1 from the telnet prompt
> I
> >> >> get.
> >> >>> Nothing works at that prompt.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You might also just try (from an acp_commander shell prompt)
> copying
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> ssh key (put it on a share first) from the array locally over to
> >> >>>> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (make sure to check permissions after
> >> >> copying),
> >> >>>> then try ssh.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Good idea, if I could just get telnet to work. Any thoughts on that?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> good luck.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 07/12/2011 09:59 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> >> >>>>> You shouldn't need to change or upload firmware.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> acp_commander can reset the root password (If it can get a shell
> >> >>>>> prompt
> >> >>>> it should be able to reset the password...)
> >> >>>>> java -jar acp_commander.jar -t $YOUR_NAS_IP_ADDRESS -o
> >> >>>>> That will clear the root password to nothing, allowing you to
> login
> >> >>>>> via
> >> >>>> ssh or telnet as root with the (blank) password.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You should be able to re-secure things from there (ideally drop an
> >> >>>>> SSH
> >> >>>> key in for root, create a second account that can sudo and drop a
> key
> >> >> there
> >> >>>> as well, then lock the password for both to prevent password login
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> disable telnet).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 07/12/2011 02:25 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Joeseph,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> One more issue, oh Great Buffalo NAS one....;-)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I started to work on rooting the device by following this
> >> >>>>>> http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL. First
> >> >>>>>> stumbling
> >> >>>> block
> >> >>>>>> is I have firmware 1.43. However, the zip key for 1.41 worked to
> >> >>>>>> unzip
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>>>> firmware image. It turns out ssh is already enabled for root in
> >> >>>>>> 1.43,
> >> >>>> but
> >> >>>>>> one needs a password. It is not the same as the admin password.
> So,
> >> >>>>>> I
> >> >>>> set up
> >> >>>>>> an ssh key and put the disk image back together as described in
> the
> >> >>>> article.
> >> >>>>>> However, how do I get the LS-WXL beastie to gobble up the new
> >> >> firmware?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The web access only allows firmware to be downloaded from Buffalo
> >> >>>>>> (no
> >> >>>> upload
> >> >>>>>> file dialog, just a button to update the firmware, which only
> goes
> >> >>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>> Buffalo to check on available updates, and then installs them),
> and
> >> >> the
> >> >>>>>> Windows software does not have an option to upload firmware,
> >> >>>>>> either. I
> >> >>>> can
> >> >>>>>> get in with acp_commander to the shell prompt, which seems to be
> a
> >> >>>> disguised
> >> >>>>>> telnet prompt, so I am not sure how to upload new firmware via
> that
> >> >>>> method.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Anyway to get the root password from the device or the file
> system
> >> >>>>>> I
> >> >>>>>> downloaded so I can use that to ssh in and not have to replace
> the
> >> >>>> firmware?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks for any further suggestions you may have!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Mark
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Joseph Sinclair
> >> >>>>>> <>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> rsync will preserve ownership if you set the option to do so (I
> >> >>>>>>> don't
> >> >>>>>>> recall the exact flag offhand).
> >> >>>>>>> I actually prefer rsync over the Samba mount because cifs
> doesn't
> >> >>>>>>> understand POSIX permissions.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> If you root the box you can certainly do the rsync over ssh, but
> >> >>>>>>> on a
> >> >>>> local
> >> >>>>>>> net native(uncompressed) rsync protocol is *immensely* faster
> >> >>>>>>> because
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> little ARM chip in the NAS can't handle the ssh encrypt/decrypt
> >> >>>>>>> very
> >> >>>> fast.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> SSH is useful for a lot of things, but I prefer the rsync daemon
> >> >>>>>>> for
> >> >>>> rsync.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> IIRC backuppc can handle the hardlink issue via rsync (rsync can
> >> >>>> preserve
> >> >>>>>>> hardlinks, softlinks, etc...), but if not then your best bet
> might
> >> >>>>>>> be
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>>>>> install something more NAS-friendly.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I'd not recommend installing Debian. It's possible, but the
> >> >>>>>>> machine
> >> >> is
> >> >>>>>>> quite limited in CPU and RAM, so the experience is likely to be
> >> >>>> somewhat
> >> >>>>>>> frustrating. Most of the people who install Debian are running
> >> >>>>>>> Terastations, which have desktop CPU's rather than ARM chips
> (and
> >> >> cost
> >> >>>> 5
> >> >>>>>>> times more).
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 10:42 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> In the shared folders section, one can check Windows, Apple,
> disk
> >> >>>> backup,
> >> >>>>>>>> ftp, and sftp. When I clicked Windows and backup, rsync works.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$ rsync SANY0002.JPG
> >> >>>>>>> rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1_fred/
> >> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$ rsync rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/
> >> >>>>>>>> array1_fred
> >> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The file was copied to fred, as verified by ftp.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. I am worried that backup files will loose
> >> >>>>>>>> their
> >> >>>>>>>> ownership attributes when I back them up, as the poster says:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "Yes, you can use rsync on another machine to connect to the
> >> >>>>>>> rsync-enabled
> >> >>>>>>>> shares on a LSpro; BUT all the files created by this method on
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> LSpro
> >> >>>>>>> are
> >> >>>>>>>> owned by root/root and not by any of the users created on the
> >> >>>>>>>> LSpro,
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>> there is no way to delete or update these files except by using
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> rsync
> >> >>>>>>>> command."
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> If I root the device and enable ssh, then I can rsync in via
> ssh
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>> bypass
> >> >>>>>>>> all this Buffalo c**p, right? Backuppc also depends on hard
> >> >>>>>>>> links,
> >> >> so
> >> >>>>>>>> perhaps I have to go all the way and install Debian on the box?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Mark
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Sinclair <
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> For the mount, you can just use normal mount with -t cifs (or
> >> >>>>>>>>> put
> >> >> it
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>> fstab with cifs as the filesystem type).
> >> >>>>>>>>> umount is generic; the unmount interface standardized a while
> >> >>>>>>>>> back,
> >> >>>>>>> that's
> >> >>>>>>>>> why umount.cifs is no longer in Debian, it's obsolete.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> For rsync, the module name will never have a space. Given
> that
> >> >> it's
> >> >>>> not
> >> >>>>>>>>> showing up the way we expect, my best guess is the module
> naming
> >> >>>> changed
> >> >>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>> the most recent revisions of the firmware.
> >> >>>>>>>>> It seems something odd is going on, quite possibly the rsync
> >> >>>>>>>>> daemon
> >> >>>> is
> >> >>>>>>>>> running but no shares are enabled as backup targets.
> >> >>>>>>>>> According to the Linkstation forums on
> buffalo.nas-central.org,
> >> >> You
> >> >>>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>>> to go into the backup section in the web interface and set
> each
> >> >> share
> >> >>>>>>> that's
> >> >>>>>>>>> supposed to be available via rsync as a backup target (not
> >> >>>>>>>>> entirely
> >> >>>> sure
> >> >>>>>>>>> what that looks like).
> >> >>>>>>>>> Here's the post I found:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> http://forum.buffalo.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?p=41941#p41941
> >> >>>>>>>>> It's not 100% applicable, but it should apply to your device
> >> >>>>>>>>> fairly
> >> >>>>>>>>> equally.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 07:12 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The only way I can gain access to the shares is to use the
> >> >>>> following. I
> >> >>>>>>>>>> created a new share called 'fred' and deleted the other
> shares:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> mount.cifs //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/fred /home/nas_share -o
> >> >>>>>>> user=user_name
> >> >>>>>>>>>> password=pass
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Of course, umount.cifs is no longer in Debian, but umount -f
> >> >>>>>>>>>> works
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>> unmount the share.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I cannot get rsync to work. According to the man page the
> >> >> following
> >> >>>>>>>>> should
> >> >>>>>>>>>> return a list of shares:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> rsync rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Nothing is returned (eg a blank line). I tried telnet
> >> >>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
> >> >>>>>>> 873
> >> >>>>>>>>>> and I got the rsync response @RSYNCD: 30.0, so the daemon is
> >> >>>> running, I
> >> >>>>>>>>>> suppose.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The following all return 'unknown module' regardless of what
> >> >>>>>>>>>> name
> >> >> I
> >> >>>> put
> >> >>>>>>>>>> after the url (array1_fred, , array0_fred array2_fred)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> rsync some_file rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1_fred/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a '/' instead of a '_' returns the same error for module
> >> >> array1,
> >> >>>>>>>>> array2,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> array0. I also tried Array[0,1,2] with the same result. Some
> of
> >> >> the
> >> >>>> web
> >> >>>>>>>>>> pages show the name as Array 1, so I tried the capital A and
> a
> >> >>>> space,
> >> >>>>>>> but
> >> >>>>>>>>>> still not luck.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> When I ftp into the box, the path to fred is
> >> >>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1/fred.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I tried restarting the Linkstation, and no change.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I also tried the alternative rsync format, rsync some_file
> >> >>>>>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx::array1_fred, and that did not work.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Any more ideas on how to get rsync to work?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Mark
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Joseph Sinclair
> >> >>>>>>>>>> <>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Dash and underscore are fine.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The only way to "reset" the name using the standard web
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> interface
> >> >>>> is
> >> >>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> delete the share and re-create it with the new name.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 11:23 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can the share name have a dash or underscore in it? How can
> I
> >> >>>> "reset"
> >> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> share names?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2011 10:59 AM, "Joseph Sinclair" <
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The info folder is used by the web interface; don't delete
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>> unless
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to reload the device from scratch ;)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The correct value should be array1_Hshare. array1_Hshare
> is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> rsync
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> top-level "module" name, not a directory.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue you're seeing sounds like a case-match issue or
> >> >>>> something
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar. The module will be exactly "array1_" followed by
> the
> >> >>>>>>> (initial)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> name
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the directory on the array.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you initially put spaces in, or changed the name, then
> >> >> you'll
> >> >>>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>>> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> hard time figuring out the module name because it's based
> on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> first
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> name
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you give for the share; it doesn't get updated if you
> change
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> share
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> name
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> later.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, if you changed the RAID settings, then try using
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> array2
> >> >> or
> >> >>>>>>>>> array0,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> just in case it changed the array numbering.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > Time to ask people again to trim posts? I count 11 levels of indentation
> in
> > this message!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
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