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Author: Dan Lund
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Subject: Re: etiquette nudge
Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mike Bushroe <> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Joseph Sinclair <>
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list <>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:47:12 -0700
>> Subject: Re: Looking for NAS Hardware Recommendations
>> It's in the firmware zip file[1], something like FWUpdate.exe (they change
>> the name sometimes).
>>
>> [1] http://www.buffalotech.com/support/getfile/ls_series-143.zip
>>
>>
>> On 07/13/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Joseph Sinclair
>> > <>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The best suggestion I can make (other than waiting for acp_commander to
>> >> get
>> >> an update so it's able to open up the 1.43 firmware) is to use the
>> >> Windows
>> >> or Mac uploader to upload your modified firmware.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I installed the Windows sw that came with the box on the CD, but there
>> > is no
>> > option there to upload a file. Is there another piece of software that
>> > is
>> > the Windows uploader? Where do I get it?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 07/13/2011 05:45 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Joseph Sinclair <
>> >>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I missed the 1.43 part...  Seems they've improved security.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you can get a shell prompt with acp_commander, try running whoami.
>> >>>> If
>> >>>> you're already root, then "passwd -d root" will clear the current
>> >> password,
>> >>>> and you can then set it to anything you like with "passwd"
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I get a shell prompt, but nothing seems to work. Every command returns
>> >>> 3
>> >>> blank lines and a prompt.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The only safe way to upload firmware is, unfortunately, a Windows or
>> >>>> Mac
>> >>>> binary that's included with the firmware update.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That said, you can try
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou're
>> >> brave.
>> >>>>
>> >>> That looks good, but I cannot access /dev/fl1 from the telnet prompt I
>> >> get.
>> >>> Nothing works at that prompt.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You might also just try (from an acp_commander shell prompt) copying
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> ssh key (put it on a share first) from the array locally over to
>> >>>> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (make sure to check permissions after
>> >> copying),
>> >>>> then try ssh.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Good idea, if I could just get telnet to work. Any thoughts on that?
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> good luck.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 07/12/2011 09:59 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
>> >>>>> You shouldn't need to change or upload firmware.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> acp_commander can reset the root password (If it can get a shell
>> >>>>> prompt
>> >>>> it should be able to reset the password...)
>> >>>>>   java -jar acp_commander.jar -t $YOUR_NAS_IP_ADDRESS -o
>> >>>>> That will clear the root password to nothing, allowing you to login
>> >>>>> via
>> >>>> ssh or telnet as root with the (blank) password.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You should be able to re-secure things from there (ideally drop an
>> >>>>> SSH
>> >>>> key in for root, create a second account that can sudo and drop a key
>> >> there
>> >>>> as well, then lock the password for both to prevent password login
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> disable telnet).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 07/12/2011 02:25 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> >>>>>> Joeseph,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> One more issue, oh Great Buffalo NAS one....;-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I started to work on rooting the device by following this
>> >>>>>> http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL. First
>> >>>>>> stumbling
>> >>>> block
>> >>>>>> is I have firmware 1.43. However, the zip key for 1.41 worked to
>> >>>>>> unzip
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>> firmware image. It turns out ssh is already enabled for root in
>> >>>>>> 1.43,
>> >>>> but
>> >>>>>> one needs a password. It is not the same as the admin password. So,
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>> set up
>> >>>>>> an ssh key and put the disk image back together as described in the
>> >>>> article.
>> >>>>>> However, how do I get the LS-WXL beastie to gobble up the new
>> >> firmware?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The web access only allows firmware to be downloaded from Buffalo
>> >>>>>> (no
>> >>>> upload
>> >>>>>> file dialog, just a button to update the firmware, which only goes
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> Buffalo to check on available updates, and then installs them), and
>> >> the
>> >>>>>> Windows software does not have an option to upload firmware,
>> >>>>>> either. I
>> >>>> can
>> >>>>>> get in with acp_commander to the shell prompt, which seems to be a
>> >>>> disguised
>> >>>>>> telnet prompt, so I am not sure how to upload new firmware via that
>> >>>> method.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anyway to get the root password from the device or the file system
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> downloaded so I can use that to ssh in and not have to replace the
>> >>>> firmware?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks for any further suggestions you may have!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Joseph Sinclair
>> >>>>>> <>wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> rsync will preserve ownership if you set the option to do so (I
>> >>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>> recall the exact flag offhand).
>> >>>>>>> I actually prefer rsync over the Samba mount because cifs doesn't
>> >>>>>>> understand POSIX permissions.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you root the box you can certainly do the rsync over ssh, but
>> >>>>>>> on a
>> >>>> local
>> >>>>>>> net native(uncompressed) rsync protocol is *immensely* faster
>> >>>>>>> because
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>> little ARM chip in the NAS can't handle the ssh encrypt/decrypt
>> >>>>>>> very
>> >>>> fast.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> SSH is useful for a lot of things, but I prefer the rsync daemon
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>> rsync.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> IIRC backuppc can handle the hardlink issue via rsync (rsync can
>> >>>> preserve
>> >>>>>>> hardlinks, softlinks, etc...), but if not then your best bet might
>> >>>>>>> be
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>>> install something more NAS-friendly.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'd not recommend installing Debian.  It's possible, but the
>> >>>>>>> machine
>> >> is
>> >>>>>>> quite limited in CPU and RAM, so the experience is likely to be
>> >>>> somewhat
>> >>>>>>> frustrating.  Most of the people who install Debian are running
>> >>>>>>> Terastations, which have desktop CPU's rather than ARM chips (and
>> >> cost
>> >>>> 5
>> >>>>>>> times more).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 10:42 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> In the shared folders section, one can check Windows, Apple, disk
>> >>>> backup,
>> >>>>>>>> ftp, and sftp. When I clicked Windows and backup, rsync works.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$ rsync SANY0002.JPG
>> >>>>>>> rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1_fred/
>> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$ rsync rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/
>> >>>>>>>> array1_fred
>> >>>>>>>> mark@orca:~/Desktop$
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The file was copied to fred, as verified by ftp.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. I am worried that backup files will loose
>> >>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>> ownership attributes when I back them up, as the poster says:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Yes, you can use rsync on another machine to connect to the
>> >>>>>>> rsync-enabled
>> >>>>>>>> shares on a LSpro; BUT all the files created by this method on
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> LSpro
>> >>>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>> owned by root/root and not by any of the users created on the
>> >>>>>>>> LSpro,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> there is no way to delete or update these files except by using
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> rsync
>> >>>>>>>> command."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If I root the device and enable ssh, then I can rsync in via ssh
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> bypass
>> >>>>>>>> all this Buffalo c**p, right? Backuppc also depends on hard
>> >>>>>>>> links,
>> >> so
>> >>>>>>>> perhaps I have to go all the way and install Debian on the box?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Sinclair <
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For the mount, you can just use normal mount with -t cifs (or
>> >>>>>>>>> put
>> >> it
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> fstab with cifs as the filesystem type).
>> >>>>>>>>> umount is generic; the unmount interface standardized a while
>> >>>>>>>>> back,
>> >>>>>>> that's
>> >>>>>>>>> why umount.cifs is no longer in Debian, it's obsolete.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For rsync, the module name will never have a space.  Given that
>> >> it's
>> >>>> not
>> >>>>>>>>> showing up the way we expect, my best guess is the module naming
>> >>>> changed
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> the most recent revisions of the firmware.
>> >>>>>>>>> It seems something odd is going on, quite possibly the rsync
>> >>>>>>>>> daemon
>> >>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>> running but no shares are enabled as backup targets.
>> >>>>>>>>> According to the Linkstation forums on buffalo.nas-central.org,
>> >> You
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> to go into the backup section in the web interface and set each
>> >> share
>> >>>>>>> that's
>> >>>>>>>>> supposed to be available via rsync as a backup target (not
>> >>>>>>>>> entirely
>> >>>> sure
>> >>>>>>>>> what that looks like).
>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the post I found:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://forum.buffalo.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?p=41941#p41941
>> >>>>>>>>> It's not 100% applicable, but it should apply to your device
>> >>>>>>>>> fairly
>> >>>>>>>>> equally.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 07:12 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> The only way I can gain access to the shares is to use the
>> >>>> following. I
>> >>>>>>>>>> created a new share called 'fred' and deleted the other shares:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> mount.cifs   //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/fred   /home/nas_share   -o
>> >>>>>>> user=user_name
>> >>>>>>>>>> password=pass
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course, umount.cifs is no longer in Debian, but umount -f
>> >>>>>>>>>> works
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> unmount the share.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I cannot get rsync to work. According to the man page the
>> >> following
>> >>>>>>>>> should
>> >>>>>>>>>> return a list of shares:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> rsync rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Nothing is returned (eg a blank line). I tried telnet
>> >>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
>> >>>>>>> 873
>> >>>>>>>>>> and I got the rsync response @RSYNCD: 30.0, so the daemon is
>> >>>> running, I
>> >>>>>>>>>> suppose.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The following all return 'unknown module' regardless of what
>> >>>>>>>>>> name
>> >> I
>> >>>> put
>> >>>>>>>>>> after the url (array1_fred, , array0_fred array2_fred)
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> rsync some_file rsync://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1_fred/
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> or a '/' instead of a '_' returns the same error for module
>> >> array1,
>> >>>>>>>>> array2,
>> >>>>>>>>>> array0. I also tried Array[0,1,2] with the same result. Some of
>> >> the
>> >>>> web
>> >>>>>>>>>> pages show the name as Array 1, so I tried the capital A and a
>> >>>> space,
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>>>> still not luck.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> When I ftp into the box, the path to fred is
>> >>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/array1/fred.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I tried restarting the Linkstation, and no change.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I also tried the alternative rsync format, rsync some_file
>> >>>>>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx::array1_fred, and that did not work.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Any more ideas on how to get rsync to work?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Joseph Sinclair
>> >>>>>>>>>> <>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dash and underscore are fine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The only way to "reset" the name using the standard web
>> >>>>>>>>>>> interface
>> >>>> is
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> delete the share and re-create it with the new name.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 07/10/2011 11:23 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can the share name have a dash or underscore in it? How can I
>> >>>> "reset"
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> share names?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2011 10:59 AM, "Joseph Sinclair" <
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The info folder is used by the web interface; don't delete
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> unless
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to reload the device from scratch ;)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The correct value should be array1_Hshare. array1_Hshare is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> rsync
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> top-level "module" name, not a directory.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue you're seeing sounds like a case-match issue or
>> >>>> something
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar. The module will be exactly "array1_" followed by the
>> >>>>>>> (initial)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> name
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of the directory on the array.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you initially put spaces in, or changed the name, then
>> >> you'll
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hard time figuring out the module name because it's based on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> first
>> >>>>>>>>>>> name
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you give for the share; it doesn't get updated if you change
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> share
>> >>>>>>>>>>> name
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> later.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, if you changed the RAID settings, then try using
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> array2
>> >> or
>> >>>>>>>>> array0,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> just in case it changed the array numbering.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> Time to ask people again to trim posts? I count 11 levels of indentation in
> this message!
>
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