Even with a 10% unemployment rate? That is the government number. It is being reported that the real unemplyement number is closer to 19%. And there are those who are under employed.
Also there is no proof we need these laborers. Just because a farmer says he can't find labor it might be true. What we might need is to re-invent farming. We might need some capital investment and just maybe Americans will take these jobs.
I seem to recall Tyson saying there was a shortage of labor so they had to hire illegals. After a raid and removal of maybe 300 illegals, as I recall, Tyson found willing employees just a few miles away in a back community that had high unemployment and had been denied jobs.
What did it take to get those AMERICAN citizens into those jobs? A few buses and a few more dollars and hour.
So do we really need guest workers and those H1B Visa folks? I need to see a dozen studies done by disinterested researchers before I can make a decision either way.
Just because Bill Gates and a few farmers in Yuma say it is so does not mean it is.
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Keith Smith
--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Bryan O'Neal <
Bryan.ONeal@TheONealAndAssociates.com> wrote:
From: Bryan O'Neal <
Bryan.ONeal@TheONealAndAssociates.com>
Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <
plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 1:44 PM
I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration
but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented
and working.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, JD Austin <
jd@twingeckos.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal
> <Bryan.ONeal@theonealandassociates.com> wrote:
>>
>> The whole point I would like to make is that truth depends greatly on
>> your point of view. Don't recite rhetoric, think in a logical and
>> scientific manor, don't cloud the issue, define the problem and
>> develop a holistic and pragmatic approach. But I may not have been
>> able to pull that argument off in an email forum any way so I suppose
>> cutting to the chase (which is something that I encourage) is to be
>> rewarded with a cessation of flame :)
>> At lest from me, at lest for now ;)
>>
>
> I'd say replace 'opinion' with truth above and you're correct :)
>
> Regardless of opinion the truth is America at this point in time is a
> sovereign nation just like Mexico is. One of reason we have laws is to
> eliminate the 'my truth' versus your 'truth' issue. The law is the end all
> truth and we have a court system to wage that battle in.
>
> We have reasonable immigration laws that are less strict than a lot of other
> countries.
> Those laws being broken (it's undeniable) and have not been enforced
> federally like they should be most likely due to big business interests that
> want to continue to exploit those people.
>
> The unfortunate side effect of that exploitation is that a lot of Americans
> have been displaced from their jobs and it has placed a tremendous burden on
> State services (that we can't afford), it has lured a lot of people here
> illegally, and now those people feel 'entitled' to be here because of the
> lax enforcement in the past. It is unfortunate that enforcing this law will
> break up families in the same way it is unfortunate that other crime
> enforcement breaks up families.
>
> My hope is that somehow the pressure goes where it should be - ON MEXICO -
> to make life there as attractive as it is here. The Mexican people deserve
> better there! They shouldn't have to come here to have a fair chance at a
> good life.
>
> JD
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