Even with a 10% unemployment rate?  That is the government number.  It is being reported that the real unemplyement number is closer to 19%.  And there are those who are under employed. Also there is no proof we need these laborers.  Just because a farmer says he can't find labor it might be true.  What we might need is to re-invent farming.  We might need some capital investment and just maybe Americans will take these jobs. I seem to recall Tyson saying there was a shortage of labor so they had to hire illegals.  After a raid and removal of maybe 300 illegals, as I recall, Tyson found willing employees just a few miles away in a back community that had high unemployment and had been denied jobs. What did it take to get those AMERICAN citizens into those jobs?  A few buses and a few more dollars and hour. So do we really need guest workers and those H1B Visa folks?  I need to see a dozen studies done by disinterested researchers before I can make a decision either way. Just because Bill Gates and a few farmers in Yuma say it is so does not mean it is. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Bryan O'Neal wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal Subject: Re: OT ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree - what I would like to see is not to allow more immigration but allow more guest workers. No rites, heavily taxed, but documented and working. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:04, Bryan O'Neal > wrote: >> >> The whole point I would like to make is that truth depends greatly on >> your point of view. Don't recite rhetoric, think in a logical and >> scientific manor, don't cloud the issue, define the problem and >> develop a holistic and pragmatic approach.  But I may not have been >> able to pull that argument off in an email forum any way so I suppose >> cutting to the chase (which is something that I encourage) is to be >> rewarded with a cessation of flame :) >> At lest from me, at lest for now ;) >> > > I'd say replace 'opinion' with truth above and you're correct :) > > Regardless of opinion the truth is America at this point in time is a > sovereign nation just like Mexico is.  One of reason we have laws is to > eliminate the 'my truth' versus your 'truth' issue.  The law is the end all > truth and we have a court system to wage that battle in. > > We have reasonable immigration laws that are less strict than a lot of other > countries. > Those laws being broken (it's undeniable) and have not been enforced > federally like they should be most likely due to big business interests that > want to continue to exploit those people. > > The unfortunate side effect of that exploitation is that a lot of Americans > have been displaced from their jobs and it has placed a tremendous burden on > State services (that we can't afford), it has lured a lot of people here > illegally, and now those people feel 'entitled' to be here because of the > lax enforcement in the past.  It is unfortunate that enforcing this law will > break up families in the same way it is unfortunate that other crime > enforcement breaks up families. > > My hope is that somehow the pressure goes where it should be - ON MEXICO - > to make life there as attractive as it is here.  The Mexican people deserve > better there!  They shouldn't have to come here to have a fair chance at a > good life. > > JD > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss