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Author: Joshua Zeidner
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Subject: Re: Linux certification
Sean, good luck expanding your horizons. Been clocking some time
myself with some new subjects, but I assume that this knowledge will
not be something I can leverage in the job world. Its a very abstract
area of computer science that is typically done in high end research
labs. My efforts will inevitably be branded as amateur. Even if I do
progress the field in some way, there is little chance I will be
credited. I could go the Uni route, but that means debt +
bureaucratic overhead. I will try submitting to Arxiv. And so it
goes... ultimately I recognize that if I do it, it must be for my own
satisfaction. -jmz


On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sean Parsons <> wrote:
> Josh,
>        I'm already employed as the IT Manager for a local company. We have
> MS systems to date and my desire to expand into Linux will eventually carry
> this company with me. My background is Telecommunications but I always find
> myself back in IT somehow, but anyway the burden for this training is due to
> my own ambition not the company's. I just thought that taking the classes
> would help me get up to speed faster.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean Parsons
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua
> Zeidner
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:05 PM
> To: ; Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Linux certification
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe <> wrote:
>> "Step away from thar server!  I'm CERTIFIED!!"
>>
>> So what does this book say in a few sentences?  I can't make it to the lib
> today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'.  Thanks!!
>
>   It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques
> for knowledge workers of all kinds.  In my view, these techniques are
> going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards,
> then your work is cut out for you.  One thing I notice lately is the
> premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college.  The
> perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn
> the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow
> roots with the company.  Once the roots are grown, then we can max out
> the code bumper crop!
>
>   Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring
> people.  The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99
> and 03.  There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what
> those are.  The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read
> about them for free at phx PL.
>
>   have fun, and learning is half the battle.  -jmz
>
>
>>
>> Sent from my blackberry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Zeidner <>
>> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list<>
>> Subject: Re: Linux certification
>>
>>  I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people
>> decide to hire you:
>>
>>
>  http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595
>>
>>  you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX.
>>
>>  -jmz
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons <>
> wrote:
>>> Jason - Thank you for your response.
>>>
>>>        I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning,
> checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as
> it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting
> answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the
> test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than
> a newbie.. :)
>>>
>>>        I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way
> communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75%
> of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident
> in my abilities first.
>>>
>>>        Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu
> for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be
> fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a
> factor.... yet.
>>>
>>>        I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games
> in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual
> desktop..... Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :}
>>>
>>>        Thanks again for your time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean Parsons
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason
> Spatafore
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM
>>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: Linux certification
>>>
>>> Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can
>>> learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every
>>> week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting
>>> weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can
>>> be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands
>>> is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.)
>>>
>>> Do not think you can "certify yourself into the industry". Linux is
>>> beyond an organized structure of system administration....it's a thought
>>> process. You approach the problem with "what do I need to do?" then "is
>>> there a command that already does it?"
>>>
>>> Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands.
>>> If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely
>>> explore...a LOT.
>>>
>>> That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand
>>> that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of
>>> the people who will change that drawback.
>>>
>>> All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a
>>> distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one
>>> company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be
>>> different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as
>>> well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but
>>> very focused on *their* distributions.
>>>
>>> Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of
>>> hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is
>>> known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician,
>>> programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the
>>> pieces mix and match.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote:
>>>> Hello all –
>>>>
>>>> I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer
>>>> than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to
>>>> repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or
>>>> can give me any details about local cert classes or testing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doorman352
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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