Sean, good luck expanding your horizons. Been clocking some time myself with some new subjects, but I assume that this knowledge will not be something I can leverage in the job world. Its a very abstract area of computer science that is typically done in high end research labs. My efforts will inevitably be branded as amateur. Even if I do progress the field in some way, there is little chance I will be credited. I could go the Uni route, but that means debt + bureaucratic overhead. I will try submitting to Arxiv. And so it goes... ultimately I recognize that if I do it, it must be for my own satisfaction. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sean Parsons wrote: > Josh, >        I'm already employed as the IT Manager for a local company. We have > MS systems to date and my desire to expand into Linux will eventually carry > this company with me. My background is Telecommunications but I always find > myself back in IT somehow, but anyway the burden for this training is due to > my own ambition not the company's. I just thought that taking the classes > would help me get up to speed faster. > > Thanks > > Sean Parsons > > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua > Zeidner > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:05 PM > To: dorian.monroe@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Linux certification > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe wrote: >> "Step away from thar server!  I'm CERTIFIED!!" >> >> So what does this book say in a few sentences?  I can't make it to the lib > today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'.  Thanks!! > >   It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques > for knowledge workers of all kinds.  In my view, these techniques are > going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards, > then your work is cut out for you.  One thing I notice lately is the > premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college.  The > perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn > the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow > roots with the company.  Once the roots are grown, then we can max out > the code bumper crop! > >   Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring > people.  The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99 > and 03.  There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what > those are.  The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read > about them for free at phx PL. > >   have fun, and learning is half the battle.  -jmz > > >> >> Sent from my blackberry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Zeidner >> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 >> To: Main PLUG discussion list >> Subject: Re: Linux certification >> >>  I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people >> decide to hire you: >> >> >  http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 >> >>  you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. >> >>  -jmz >> >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons > wrote: >>> Jason - Thank you for your response. >>> >>>        I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, > checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as > it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting > answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the > test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than > a newbie.. :) >>> >>>        I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way > communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% > of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident > in my abilities first. >>> >>>        Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu > for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be > fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a > factor.... yet. >>> >>>        I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games > in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual > desktop..... Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} >>> >>>        Thanks again for your time. >>> >>> >>> Sean Parsons >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason > Spatafore >>> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM >>> To: Main PLUG discussion list >>> Subject: Re: Linux certification >>> >>> Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can >>> learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every >>> week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting >>> weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can >>> be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands >>> is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) >>> >>> Do not think you can "certify yourself into the industry". Linux is >>> beyond an organized structure of system administration....it's a thought >>> process. You approach the problem with "what do I need to do?" then "is >>> there a command that already does it?" >>> >>> Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. >>> If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely >>> explore...a LOT. >>> >>> That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand >>> that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of >>> the people who will change that drawback. >>> >>> All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a >>> distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one >>> company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be >>> different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as >>> well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but >>> very focused on *their* distributions. >>> >>> Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of >>> hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is >>> known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, >>> programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the >>> pieces mix and match. >>> >>> On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: >>>> Hello all – >>>> >>>> I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer >>>> than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to >>>> repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or >>>> can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Doorman352 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss