Then we will meet at this Saturday's Installfest at Noon to discuss
employee owned IT consulting groups for small and medium businesses.
Gerold Knapp wrote:
> I would definitely be interested in participating in said discussion.
> It sounds like something that would be discussed down at GangPlank.
> I just started going last week after the postings on this list and it is
> pretty darned interesting.
>
> This is an intriguing idea!
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 8/20/09 8:37 PM, "Trent Shipley" <tshipley@deru.com> wrote:
>
>> The major downside being that it involves getting up on a Saturday morning.
>>
>> Where are Installfests being held these days? What is the last Saturday
>> in August 2009? Installfests last for several hours, so when would we
>> want to start the consulting co-op discussion?
>>
>> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>>> Sounds like a good discussion to take place during the next Installfest
>>> since there's really no "agendas" at those. Plus, you may find those
>>> "diamonds in the rough" of people that may be able to enlighten you on
>>> the actual need in the market for such a venture.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 19:40 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>>> I agree Trent. I'd be interested in hashing it over.
>>>>
>>>> Trent Shipley wrote:
>>>>> I just finished the Master of Science in Information Management at ASU.
>>>>> I guess there's nothing wrong with hiring a junior level JOAT to run
>>>>> LAMP, and there's certainly nothing wrong with doing this early in your
>>>>> career. The main downside is that unless the customer/employer gets
>>>>> VERY lucky, they won't get the expert service a large firm would get
>>>>> through specialization. In theory what these little companies should do
>>>>> is outsource the IT department. This is especially true of non-profits
>>>>> and small government departments where IT isn't strategic. Outsourcing
>>>>> is more problematic for something like a b2c business where the IT is
>>>>> strategic. Then you need a way to reconquer IT if your company grows.
>>>>>
>>>>> What this indicates is a need for professional, multi-disciplinary IT
>>>>> consulting targeting small and medium sized businesses, non-profits, and
>>>>> government units. The big guys don't want it. You can charge enough
>>>>> and the meals are too small. The little guys, like Red7 and Data
>>>>> Doctors, started as repair shops and may have trouble getting into the
>>>>> consultant/contractor rent-an-IT-department mindset.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there's definitely an itch here. I think it would be fun to get
>>>>> together and discuss it. I'm thinking maybe a professional cooperative
>>>>> as an organizational structure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <with snippage>
>>>>> Michael Butash wrote:
>>>>>> In my experience in big enterprise to small offices, either you have
>>>>>> "the dude that kinda dabbles with everything", or you have quite
>>>>>> separate roles. Primarily you would have a SQL Admin/Engineer (just sql
>>>>>> performance/operations/engineering), Linux Engineer (os, apache, sql),
>>>>>> and a Web Dev/Admin/Engineer (php coding, cms, site management).
>>>>>> Usually you also have Security and Network folk in the mix too to keep
>>>>>> things sane. Sometimes you have one person that likes to dabble in
>>>>>> each, and can varyingly admin them all as so to *get by*, but they're
>>>>>> subsequently "jack of all trades", and typically "master of none" kind
>>>>>> of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finding an environment where you can "dabble" professionally in
>>>>>> everything is typically going to be a low-pay, thankless job I would
>>>>>> say, as a company wants 1 person to do *everything*, but will pay low
>>>>>> because they don't know what they really need. They're often trying to
>>>>>> find their magical unicorn employee that will do everything for little
>>>>>> pay. Government agencies tend to be fond of these roles, but pay low
>>>>>> enough they really have no expectation of finding someone close, so they
>>>>>> settle for the closest that will actually apply. They learn and cope as
>>>>>> they can, and move on once they pick one of those skills to focus on in
>>>>>> bigger companies that have already learned the value of the separate
>>>>>> skill sets among employees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -mb
>>>>> </snippage>
>>>>>
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