I would definitely be interested in participating in said discussion.
It sounds like something that would be discussed down at GangPlank.
I just started going last week after the postings on this list and it is
pretty darned interesting.
This is an intriguing idea!
Ed
On 8/20/09 8:37 PM, "Trent Shipley" <
tshipley@deru.com> wrote:
> The major downside being that it involves getting up on a Saturday morning.
>
> Where are Installfests being held these days? What is the last Saturday
> in August 2009? Installfests last for several hours, so when would we
> want to start the consulting co-op discussion?
>
> Jason Spatafore wrote:
>> Sounds like a good discussion to take place during the next Installfest
>> since there's really no "agendas" at those. Plus, you may find those
>> "diamonds in the rough" of people that may be able to enlighten you on
>> the actual need in the market for such a venture.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 19:40 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>> I agree Trent. I'd be interested in hashing it over.
>>>
>>> Trent Shipley wrote:
>>>> I just finished the Master of Science in Information Management at ASU.
>>>> I guess there's nothing wrong with hiring a junior level JOAT to run
>>>> LAMP, and there's certainly nothing wrong with doing this early in your
>>>> career. The main downside is that unless the customer/employer gets
>>>> VERY lucky, they won't get the expert service a large firm would get
>>>> through specialization. In theory what these little companies should do
>>>> is outsource the IT department. This is especially true of non-profits
>>>> and small government departments where IT isn't strategic. Outsourcing
>>>> is more problematic for something like a b2c business where the IT is
>>>> strategic. Then you need a way to reconquer IT if your company grows.
>>>>
>>>> What this indicates is a need for professional, multi-disciplinary IT
>>>> consulting targeting small and medium sized businesses, non-profits, and
>>>> government units. The big guys don't want it. You can charge enough
>>>> and the meals are too small. The little guys, like Red7 and Data
>>>> Doctors, started as repair shops and may have trouble getting into the
>>>> consultant/contractor rent-an-IT-department mindset.
>>>>
>>>> I think there's definitely an itch here. I think it would be fun to get
>>>> together and discuss it. I'm thinking maybe a professional cooperative
>>>> as an organizational structure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <with snippage>
>>>> Michael Butash wrote:
>>>>> In my experience in big enterprise to small offices, either you have
>>>>> "the dude that kinda dabbles with everything", or you have quite
>>>>> separate roles. Primarily you would have a SQL Admin/Engineer (just sql
>>>>> performance/operations/engineering), Linux Engineer (os, apache, sql),
>>>>> and a Web Dev/Admin/Engineer (php coding, cms, site management).
>>>>> Usually you also have Security and Network folk in the mix too to keep
>>>>> things sane. Sometimes you have one person that likes to dabble in
>>>>> each, and can varyingly admin them all as so to *get by*, but they're
>>>>> subsequently "jack of all trades", and typically "master of none" kind
>>>>> of people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finding an environment where you can "dabble" professionally in
>>>>> everything is typically going to be a low-pay, thankless job I would
>>>>> say, as a company wants 1 person to do *everything*, but will pay low
>>>>> because they don't know what they really need. They're often trying to
>>>>> find their magical unicorn employee that will do everything for little
>>>>> pay. Government agencies tend to be fond of these roles, but pay low
>>>>> enough they really have no expectation of finding someone close, so they
>>>>> settle for the closest that will actually apply. They learn and cope as
>>>>> they can, and move on once they pick one of those skills to focus on in
>>>>> bigger companies that have already learned the value of the separate
>>>>> skill sets among employees.
>>>>>
>>>>> -mb
>>>> </snippage>
>>>>
>>
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