I agree completely, but it seems every time we have some political
discussion on here, PLUGs nervous system grows more extensive... -jmz
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Butash<
michael@butash.net> wrote:
> I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of
> motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue. Politics
> annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not
> so much. I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but
> I haven't seen much of what I'd call abuse to the point of needing a
> true steering committee ala moderation and/or hounding. That's
> typically about the time I lose interest.
>
> What I have seen for the most part is (what I'd consider) vibrant
> participation in mostly relevant discussions, without moderation or
> attitude attitude that normally develops on lists like these. I'd say
> most or all of us are professional enough to respect that, keep egos in
> check, and that's largely what got me watching and participating in
> discussion in the first place. Its refreshing there isn't constant
> quoting of rules, moderation, or in general preaching.
>
> I don't do forums for various reasons, and to me this feels like the
> last bastion of the "old world" that still works to maintain my
> interest, and works mostly well. Thus far, I wouldn't say I'd recommend
> changing anything, but I'm fairly simple to please.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:21 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think
>> about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will
>> be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage,
>> 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. ..
>> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if
>> management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away
>> people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem).
>>
>> non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your hands.
>>
>> -jmz
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold<herrold@owlriver.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear
>> >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a
>> >> total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we
>> >> currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending
>> >> no one is running the show.
>> >
>> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays,
>> > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone
>> > has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the
>> > throat to choke.
>> >
>> > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and
>> > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS
>> > after all.
>> >
>> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard;
>> > running it for years and years is even harder
>> >
>> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide
>> > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on
>> > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro
>> > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the
>> > Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit.
>> >
>> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless.
>> >
>> > -- Russ herrold
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