well Ubuntu has the first publicly released install that is
specifically for netbooks, including a fully tuned UI for netbook
screen real estate.
and visiting the xandros websites makes me want to scrub my brain...
their marketspeak and corporateese makes microsoft look like a friend
to foss.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Lisa Kachold<
lisakachold@obnosis.com> wrote:
> That's a great idea!
>
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/national_security_threat_%231.jpg
>
> On 6/23/09, Taylor, Kaia <Kaia.Taylor@schwab.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Speaking of tweaking netbooks, I'll have one in hand soon. I'd be happy to
>> eventually give a brief presentation, following on hans's presentation and
>> the idea that it might be neat to compare price/functionality/value. Here's
>> mine http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SkuSearch_v3.asp?SCriteria=BA25872
>> I have 2 ideas, in terms of such a presentation
>>
>> OS:
>> I'm assuming that Xandros (which comes pre-installed) will *have* to go, and
>> while I'm doing that, why not match it up with someone else's OS in PLUG, so
>> we can compare performance with no extra variables introduced by a different
>> OS. If anyone has an existing netbook, and is interested, give me a shout.
>> NB my cheapie netbook's SSD is only 4G.
>>
>> Hardware diags:
>> I'm also wondering if anyone who has gotten a refurb like mine has a handy
>> link to some baseline/diag tools to test everything before the
>> manufacturer's warranty runs out. My friend got an EEE which it turns out
>> couldn't reach USB 2.0 speed on a couple of his ports, for instance. That
>> particular issue is easy to test by, whatever, time ... dd to the SD card
>> mounted on that port, but I'm guessing there are other hardware check
>> scripts that can save me some work with other hw components. We might want
>> to run the same diags on different models of netbooks if we want to do side
>> by side comparisons.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kaia Taylor
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:18 AM
>> To: quatsch
>> Subject: Ted T'so on SSD and journalling
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> The first paragraph in the quote was a comment on Ted's blog. The second is
>> Ted's response. Read the blog post at the URL given below.
>>
>> ###
>> # # 2 tytso Says:
>> March 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 am
>>
>> @1: I’d thought that the reason to avoid ext3 on SSDs, at least most of the
>> ones available today, was not the total number of writes but rather the
>> repeated writes to the same place on the disk (that is, the journal)
>>
>> Norman,
>>
>> Actually, even the most primitive SSD’s and Flash drives have to get this
>> right, because the Windows FAT filesystem are constantly updating the same
>> locations on disk (namely for the File Allocation Table), which is in a
>> fixed location on disk. So although there’s not a lot we can count on in
>> terms of the quality of flash drives’ wear level, it’s very likely they get
>> that right, since otherwise their reliability on basic FAT filesystems,
>> which are used in essentially every single digital camera on the market,
>> would be pretty bad.
>> ###
>>
>> http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
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