That's a great idea!
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On 6/23/09, Taylor, Kaia <
Kaia.Taylor@schwab.com> wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of tweaking netbooks, I'll have one in hand soon. I'd be happy to
> eventually give a brief presentation, following on hans's presentation and
> the idea that it might be neat to compare price/functionality/value. Here's
> mine http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SkuSearch_v3.asp?SCriteria=BA25872
> I have 2 ideas, in terms of such a presentation
>
> OS:
> I'm assuming that Xandros (which comes pre-installed) will *have* to go, and
> while I'm doing that, why not match it up with someone else's OS in PLUG, so
> we can compare performance with no extra variables introduced by a different
> OS. If anyone has an existing netbook, and is interested, give me a shout.
> NB my cheapie netbook's SSD is only 4G.
>
> Hardware diags:
> I'm also wondering if anyone who has gotten a refurb like mine has a handy
> link to some baseline/diag tools to test everything before the
> manufacturer's warranty runs out. My friend got an EEE which it turns out
> couldn't reach USB 2.0 speed on a couple of his ports, for instance. That
> particular issue is easy to test by, whatever, time ... dd to the SD card
> mounted on that port, but I'm guessing there are other hardware check
> scripts that can save me some work with other hw components. We might want
> to run the same diags on different models of netbooks if we want to do side
> by side comparisons.
>
>
> Regards,
> Kaia Taylor
>
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> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of der.hans
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:18 AM
> To: quatsch
> Subject: Ted T'so on SSD and journalling
>
> moin moin,
>
> The first paragraph in the quote was a comment on Ted's blog. The second is
> Ted's response. Read the blog post at the URL given below.
>
> ###
> # # 2 tytso Says:
> March 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 am
>
> @1: I’d thought that the reason to avoid ext3 on SSDs, at least most of the
> ones available today, was not the total number of writes but rather the
> repeated writes to the same place on the disk (that is, the journal)
>
> Norman,
>
> Actually, even the most primitive SSD’s and Flash drives have to get this
> right, because the Windows FAT filesystem are constantly updating the same
> locations on disk (namely for the File Allocation Table), which is in a
> fixed location on disk. So although there’s not a lot we can count on in
> terms of the quality of flash drives’ wear level, it’s very likely they get
> that right, since otherwise their reliability on basic FAT filesystems,
> which are used in essentially every single digital camera on the market,
> would be pretty bad.
> ###
>
> http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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