O'reilly got a good rep due to the quality books they published
during that period. Now they are in the sell out phase.
-jmz
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Mark Jarvis <
m.jarvis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I was a mainframe developer who was retreaded as a Unix SysAdmin and worked
> at that for 10+ years and two companies. Maybe some of you have the kind of
> memories that can remember all the options for all the *nix commands. I was
> constantly checking details of a command that I hadn't used recently. Yes,
> the man pages are wonderful, but often as not they told me more than I
> wanted to know about a command. Once I found the O'Reilly Unix in a
> Nutshell, I seldom used them. The O'Reilly commands section had the
> commands, concise explanations, and examples. The sections in the Linux book
> about the boot loaders and how to work with them were a great help when I
> branched into multi-boot PCs.
>
> Maybe the difference is in developers writing C code and SysAdmins poking
> around in the system, checking on things, and writing Korn or Bash scripts
> (trying to keep systems up and the developers under control).
>
> -mj-
>
>
> Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Alex Dean <alex@crackpot.org> wrote:
>
>
> On May 4, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> wrote:
> fact is, those books barely equip you to pass a job interview let
> alone actually build software. At this point, they act primarily as
> totems of technical knowledge and tend to help convince oblivious
> managers that someone is technically knowledgeable.
>
>
> Well, I work at home, and my boss never sees my desk, but I have plenty of
> books lying around. I find I use them most when I'm first learning a
> subject, and less and less after that. Overall, my experience has been that
> O'Reilly books have had the best staying power (as references, not just
> step-by-step introductions) of any of the various technical books I've
> owned.
>
> The O'Reilly JavaScript book is the single book where I've actually
> purchased the updated edition of a book I already own. It's excellent, and
> having all that trivial detail collected in one place is a great supplement
> to the various bookmarks I have on the subject. Their book on Ruby is
> written in fantastic (you might say excruciating, in some places) detail. I
> very seriously doubt you could collect such a comprehensive resource online
> without a massive amount of effort. $40 (minus the 40% PLUG discount!) was
> well worth the money. I'm currently fully employed as a Ruby/Rails
> developer, and I can say without hesitation that O'Reilly books were part of
> getting me there. I'm sure I could have done it without the books, but
> having them made the experience much more pleasant. I read the thing nearly
> cover to cover before really doing much at the computer. Scoff if you will,
> but I say to each his own.
>
> I will say I have noticed the quality of their bindings seems to less in the
> last year or two. I have several with cracked spines, and that never seemed
> to happen back in the day. But overall a book purchase is still something
> which makes sense to me when I'm first getting into a totally new technology
> or language.
>
> I guess I don't understand where all the virulence is coming from here?
> You're making a very sweeping generalization about most every developer who
> uses books. Why? I get that having a rack of books which don't get read is
> lame and poser-like, but why do you think that's the main purpose for
> published technical books nowadays?
>
>
>
>
> In general, the
> print world is in crisis because their value proposal is quickly being
> invalidated.
>
>
> I don't think that's true.
>
>
> yes, but don't you work for a newspaper? ;)
>
> -jmz
>
>
>
>
> The value of a book is in the editing as much as
> the author's copy. As I've said, I feel like O'Reilly books in general
> score very well on this scale. It wouldn't bother me if someone were to
> disagree with this assertion, but I don't understand the disdain for print
> you are be showing.
>
> alex
>
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