This is off-topic so I've labelled it as such. I'd prefer just to see
it die altogether, but if you must continue please use the OT subject
line as a courtesy.
alex
On May 1, 2009, at 9:13 AM, keith smith wrote:
>
> You raise a lot of good questions. Questions everyone should be
> asking. If we do not stop the erosion of our rights we will loose
> them and getting them back will come at a great price.
>
> Freedom is not free. If everyone spent just 2 hours a week getting
> involved then we can stay free and maybe shrink government in the
> process.
>
> Some good news. Local (Tucson) talk show had a state rep on this
> morning and he said in 2010 Photo Radar will be illegal in the state
> of Arizona.
>
> Given my prior traffic radar certification and receiving a photo
> radar citation in the mail when I was not the driver, is good news
> that photo radar will be out.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, unixprgrmr01@gmail.com <unixprgrmr01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: unixprgrmr01@gmail.com <unixprgrmr01@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet
> security professionals
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-
> discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 11:49 PM
>
> Has anyone ever heard of:
>
> - Illegal search and seizure.
> - Probable cuase
> - Innocent until PROVEN guilty
> - should FEDEX packages be perused by the gov without a warrant?
> - should the U.S. Mail be perused by the gov without a warrant?
> - should cb communications be perused by the gov without a warrant?
> - should smoke signals be perused by the gov without a warrant?
> - should internet traffic be perused by the gov without a warrant?
> - should the ladies afternoon quilting session conversation be
> perused by the gov without a warrant?
>
> Just because it can be done with great ease doesn't mean it should
> be done!
> I can't help but wonder what Thomas Jefferson, James Madison,
> Benjamin Franklin, etc. etc
> would think of us "We the people" ie the government allowing this to
> happen to US!
>
> Is our internet or any other form of communication guilty until
> proven innocent?
>
> Government monitoring of ANYTHING without a warrant constitutes
> illegal search.
>
> THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTION "We the People" ie the government, are
> heading! really THINK about it!
>
> Lynn
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner
> <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:
> any astute observer knows that this is *at the least* a component of
> telco politics in the US.
>
> -jmz
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think they want to control the Internet so the can stop our
> ability to
> > communicate.
> >
> > Lookout the may go after Ham radio operators next.
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Keith Smith
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet
> security
> > professionals
> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> >
> > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:01 PM
> >
> > a good clip w/ Jay Rockefeller on CSPAN :
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4uJeMs0Yc
> >
> > -jmz
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joshua Zeidner
> <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Lisa,
> >>
> >> Im not sure if youre really capturing the spirit of this
> proposal.
> >> Jay Rockefeller has been trying to find a way to put controls on
> the
> >> internet for years. Of course were told that it's for our own
> safety,
> >> and to reduce 'systemic risk'. What its really about is inviting
> the
> >> government into the management of our communications infrastructure
> >> (hardly a new theme in American history).
> >>
> >> -jmz
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> just thought some here might find this informative:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://musings.denninger.net/archives/198-The-Constitution-Dies-To-Thunderous-Applause.html?ref=joshuazeidner.com
> >>>>
> >>>> -jmz
> >>>
> >>> I read the purpose of the bill, which is:
> >>>
> >>> To ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United
> States
> >>> and with its global trading partners through secure cyber
> communications,
> >>> to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the
> >>> Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to
> provide for
> >>> the development of a cadre of information technology specialists
> to
> >>> improve
> >>> and maintain effective cyber security defenses against disruption,
> >>> and for other purposes.
> >>>
> >>> I did see Denniger has some real person interests he feels
> threatened
> >>> here,
> >>> however, I don't read any of his fears outlined in the link you
> provide
> >>> from
> >>> the actual "working draft" pdf [careful opening a PDF is a serious
> >>> security
> >>> risk].
> >>>
> >>> I have worked my whole life in this security systems economy of
> profit,
> >>> and
> >>> much as I hate loss of what we once fancied as "freedoms", we
> all saw the
> >>> writing on the wall with any "information technology", so I have
> to agree
> >>> wholeheartedly (after working contract for the Department of the
> Army)
> >>> that
> >>> these measures are certainly overdue and the budget set forth
> too little
> >>> too
> >>> late.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> www.obnosis.com (503)754-4452
> >>> "Contradictions do not exist." A. Rand
> >>>
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