This is off-topic so I've labelled it as such. I'd prefer just to see it die altogether, but if you must continue please use the OT subject line as a courtesy. alex On May 1, 2009, at 9:13 AM, keith smith wrote: > > You raise a lot of good questions. Questions everyone should be > asking. If we do not stop the erosion of our rights we will loose > them and getting them back will come at a great price. > > Freedom is not free. If everyone spent just 2 hours a week getting > involved then we can stay free and maybe shrink government in the > process. > > Some good news. Local (Tucson) talk show had a state rep on this > morning and he said in 2010 Photo Radar will be illegal in the state > of Arizona. > > Given my prior traffic radar certification and receiving a photo > radar citation in the mail when I was not the driver, is good news > that photo radar will be out. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, unixprgrmr01@gmail.com > wrote: > > From: unixprgrmr01@gmail.com > Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet > security professionals > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 11:49 PM > > Has anyone ever heard of: > > - Illegal search and seizure. > - Probable cuase > - Innocent until PROVEN guilty > - should FEDEX packages be perused by the gov without a warrant? > - should the U.S. Mail be perused by the gov without a warrant? > - should cb communications be perused by the gov without a warrant? > - should smoke signals be perused by the gov without a warrant? > - should internet traffic be perused by the gov without a warrant? > - should the ladies afternoon quilting session conversation be > perused by the gov without a warrant? > > Just because it can be done with great ease doesn't mean it should > be done! > I can't help but wonder what Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, > Benjamin Franklin, etc. etc > would think of us "We the people" ie the government allowing this to > happen to US! > > Is our internet or any other form of communication guilty until > proven innocent? > > Government monitoring of ANYTHING without a warrant constitutes > illegal search. > > THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTION "We the People" ie the government, are > heading! really THINK about it! > > Lynn > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner > wrote: > any astute observer knows that this is *at the least* a component of > telco politics in the US. > > -jmz > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, keith smith > wrote: > > > > I think they want to control the Internet so the can stop our > ability to > > communicate. > > > > Lookout the may go after Ham radio operators next. > > > > ------------------------ > > Keith Smith > > > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > > From: Joshua Zeidner > > Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet > security > > professionals > > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > > > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > a good clip w/ Jay Rockefeller on CSPAN : > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4uJeMs0Yc > > > > -jmz > > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joshua Zeidner > wrote: > >> Lisa, > >> > >> Im not sure if youre really capturing the spirit of this > proposal. > >> Jay Rockefeller has been trying to find a way to put controls on > the > >> internet for years. Of course were told that it's for our own > safety, > >> and to reduce 'systemic risk'. What its really about is inviting > the > >> government into the management of our communications infrastructure > >> (hardly a new theme in American history). > >> > >> -jmz > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Lisa Kachold > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Joshua Zeidner > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> just thought some here might find this informative: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://musings.denninger.net/archives/198-The-Constitution-Dies-To-Thunderous-Applause.html?ref=joshuazeidner.com > >>>> > >>>> -jmz > >>> > >>> I read the purpose of the bill, which is: > >>> > >>> To ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United > States > >>> and with its global trading partners through secure cyber > communications, > >>> to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the > >>> Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to > provide for > >>> the development of a cadre of information technology specialists > to > >>> improve > >>> and maintain effective cyber security defenses against disruption, > >>> and for other purposes. > >>> > >>> I did see Denniger has some real person interests he feels > threatened > >>> here, > >>> however, I don't read any of his fears outlined in the link you > provide > >>> from > >>> the actual "working draft" pdf [careful opening a PDF is a serious > >>> security > >>> risk]. > >>> > >>> I have worked my whole life in this security systems economy of > profit, > >>> and > >>> much as I hate loss of what we once fancied as "freedoms", we > all saw the > >>> writing on the wall with any "information technology", so I have > to agree > >>> wholeheartedly (after working contract for the Department of the > Army) > >>> that > >>> these measures are certainly overdue and the budget set forth > too little > >>> too > >>> late. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > >>> "Contradictions do not exist." A. 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