On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Alex Dean <
alex@crackpot.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Dean wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to
>>>> understand the underlying technologies, with no derived skills to
>>>> troubleshoot problems and no study why other parts/daemons might be
>>>> better suited for your particular needs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are always limits to this argument. How many people who install
>>> a linux server actually understand the kernel, or even any C code at
>>> all? What if I don't know assembly? I put myself in that boat, but I
>>> don't think that makes me some know-nothing schlub with no interest in
>>> solving problems.
>>>
>>> The realm of "things I could learn" is always infinitely larger than
>>> "things I have learned", and if you get diverted into the minutae of
>>> every possible permutation of every software package, you'll not be a
>>> very effective as a system administrator or in any other field.
>>>
>>> You weaken your argument when you get this pedantic and insist that
>>> everyone take your view on things to this degree.
>>>
>> ----
>> yes and no
>>
>> let's say that you want to extend ldap for hooks to new software. You
>> will never get it done unless you understand how it works. If LDAP
>> database crashes (i.e. power failure or unceremonious shutdown), how are
>> you going to repair it if you don't know how it works? (I see this too
>> often when people try to do turnkey LDAP setups).
>>
>> let's say that Zimbra package uses exceptionally week implementation of
>> amavisd that allows a lot of spam to pass through and boss says he wants
>> a higher level of filter. There's so many ways that a 'packaged' system
>> can come up short but it does provide an easy buy-in to the technology.
>> That doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good way to go.
>>
>> It's not that I insist that everyone take my view on these things - it's
>> just a recognition of where/how/why open source came to be as it is.
>>
>
> I agree with everything you're saying. For any system I would be
> professionally responsible for, I would want to have the kind of familiarity
> you're talking about. The times I've had to work with Plesk and other
> systems like that, it was like a straightjacket and I hated it. When some
> odd thing would come up, I couldn't just fix it for fear of the whole house
> of cards falling.
>
>
> regards,
> alex
>
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If you're still working with Plesk I understand your pain!
Go here:
http://atomicrocketturtle.com ... Scott's Plesk repository and
forum are WAY ahead of anything that swsoft puts out.
I stopped running a Plesk server last year and his repository got me out of
a lot of jams by letting me install better spam filtering, more secure
versions of things/etc.
--
JD Austin
Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC
jd@twingeckos.com
480.288.8195x201
http://www.twingeckos.com
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offered to touch-up my X-rays."
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