On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Alex Dean wrote: > > On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Dean wrote: >> >>> On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Craig White wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> and then you're be another administrator who never took the time to >>>> understand the underlying technologies, with no derived skills to >>>> troubleshoot problems and no study why other parts/daemons might be >>>> better suited for your particular needs. >>>> >>> >>> There are always limits to this argument. How many people who install >>> a linux server actually understand the kernel, or even any C code at >>> all? What if I don't know assembly? I put myself in that boat, but I >>> don't think that makes me some know-nothing schlub with no interest in >>> solving problems. >>> >>> The realm of "things I could learn" is always infinitely larger than >>> "things I have learned", and if you get diverted into the minutae of >>> every possible permutation of every software package, you'll not be a >>> very effective as a system administrator or in any other field. >>> >>> You weaken your argument when you get this pedantic and insist that >>> everyone take your view on things to this degree. >>> >> ---- >> yes and no >> >> let's say that you want to extend ldap for hooks to new software. You >> will never get it done unless you understand how it works. If LDAP >> database crashes (i.e. power failure or unceremonious shutdown), how are >> you going to repair it if you don't know how it works? (I see this too >> often when people try to do turnkey LDAP setups). >> >> let's say that Zimbra package uses exceptionally week implementation of >> amavisd that allows a lot of spam to pass through and boss says he wants >> a higher level of filter. There's so many ways that a 'packaged' system >> can come up short but it does provide an easy buy-in to the technology. >> That doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good way to go. >> >> It's not that I insist that everyone take my view on these things - it's >> just a recognition of where/how/why open source came to be as it is. >> > > I agree with everything you're saying. For any system I would be > professionally responsible for, I would want to have the kind of familiarity > you're talking about. The times I've had to work with Plesk and other > systems like that, it was like a straightjacket and I hated it. When some > odd thing would come up, I couldn't just fix it for fear of the whole house > of cards falling. > > > regards, > alex > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > If you're still working with Plesk I understand your pain! Go here: http://atomicrocketturtle.com ... Scott's Plesk repository and forum are WAY ahead of anything that swsoft puts out. I stopped running a Plesk server last year and his repository got me out of a lot of jams by letting me install better spam filtering, more secure versions of things/etc. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC jd@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Henny Youngman - "When I told my doctor I couldn't afford an operation, he offered to touch-up my X-rays."