Re: OT: Bailout Bill

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Author: Joshua Zeidner
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Subject: Re: OT: Bailout Bill
Dan,

Running Linux is about self-sufficiency and maintaining choices.

Whats going on here in our broken political system is eliminating
our choices. "Buy this or else." It goes against everything we 'hold
to be self-evident' in the Free Software world. Free Software people
should be united against this bill.

-jmz

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Dan Lund
<> wrote:
> While OT is a great thing, it has to be somewhat in relation to the
> main conversation we have.
> Politics is not a good thing for us to talk about since we are a large
> variety of people.
> Linux or computer related here.
> I'm sorry, but I am starting to become a little disheartened by it,
> since if we talk about this then there's always someone pulling this
> card out at the most inopportune time to shut you up to prove they are
> right. I figure it's best to not even start.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lund
>
> To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so
> many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled -
> because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too
> cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are
> called patience and forbearance.
> -Friedrich Nietzsche
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Joshua Zeidner <> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> sorry for the OT, but I think the gravity of this situation offsets
>> the negatives of making this post here.
>>
>> In case you are not aware, congress is currently considering
>> emergency legislation for a supposed 'bailout' of 700 billion dollar
>> credit line to the US Treasury in order to provide 'liquidity' to
>> credit markets in the US and worldwide. The situation is somewhat
>> complex, but what I want to explain here is how it relates to things
>> you may see every day as an Arizonan. You have no doubt seen more
>> than one totally ridiculous and imprudent mortgage loan dispensed in
>> the area over the past few years. You might have assumed that these
>> risky loans would be the problem of either the bank or the borrower.
>> The alarming aspect to these recent developments are that we as
>> Americans have learned that it is in fact *all of us* that are going
>> to pay for these bad loans. Does that sound fair to you? And it gets
>> better: when we fork up the 700 billion, houses will not even become
>> any more affordable. If you are struggling you will continue to
>> struggle despite this unprecedented transfer of wealth to the
>> treasurer. With 700 billion dollars we could build houses for the
>> entire country. This bill amounts to nothing less than robbery.
>>
>> I truly hope that you consider calling your congressmen and
>> congresswomen and voice your opinion to this bill. Your real voice
>> makes a difference.
>>
>> thanks all, and I really hope you call your representatives. We as
>> a country have to stop complaining and get involved. Im not really an
>> 'activist', Im just a regular American who knows enough about this
>> situation to know how much of a tragedy it is.
>>
>> you can get the phone numbers here by typing in your ZIP code:
>> http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
>>
>> thanks, jmz
>>
>> --
>> "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
>> War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein
>>
>> - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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