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Author: Eric Cope
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To: iscreamkid, Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
This has been one hell of a flame war!
Regarding biking to work, this keeps me on the side walk regardless of Tempe
laws. If a car is going to kill me, they need to jump the curb first. Riding
a bike in this town requires you to assume every single car on the road is
actively trying to kill you. A rule I ride by is "laws of physics always
trump right of way"

On a side note, in the Netherlands, if a driver hits a bicyclist, regardless
of reason, the driver is 100% at fault. A bicyclist could wait for a car to
come down a road, then throw themselves in front of the car, and the car is
(criminally) at fault.

Eric

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM, koder <> wrote:

> I wish I could talk and do more to the people. There are some who seem
> to think they own the road and if you are biking, pedal or motorized
> that they not only have the right of way, but a legal right to run you
> down.
>
> I encountered a trucker who tried to kill me. It put a stop to riding a
> bike to work.
>
> Since this is the reality of the world we live in it is wise to factor
> it into the cost/benefit equation, as distinguished from the ROI factor
> I referenced earlier.
>
> We won't even get into drunks who NEED to drive drunk so they can keep
> their jobs, or drunken priests who get a get out of jail free card.
>
> Harold
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Lund <>
> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
> <>
> To: , Main PLUG discussion list
> <>
> Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:34:54 -0700
>
> You might want to talk to the people that hit the bikers then.
> I almost died.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lund
> It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
> to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
> act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
> free scope.
> -Niccolo Machiavelli
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:14 PM, koder <> wrote:
> > Don't forget to factor in safety. One good wreck and your cost per mile
> > can go up with great rapidity. I am getting tired of attending funerals
> > of bikers. It is only two so far, but that is two too many.
> >
> > I doubt you have ever had a problem. . . yet.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Lund <>
> > Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
> > <>
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list <>
> > Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
> > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:34:08 -0700
> >
> > I find a 50-55 mpg motorcycle helps out tremendously. My last tank
> > ran $0.07/mile, and I was pounding the throttle.
> >
> > The metric is always $/mile, since the miles you drive always change
> > depending on what you are doing. Also, driving style (highway,
> > surface roads, acceleration amounts, etc) has a huge impact on fuel
> > economy.
> > I've found that the Toyota Corolla gets 40 mpg on the highway on the
> > long-run between Phoenix and San Diego. (~360 miles) Not too shabby,
> > about 9 gallons... pretty good when my motorcycle uses about 7 gallons
> > on that trip.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan Lund
> > It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
> > to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
> > act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
> > free scope.
> > -Niccolo Machiavelli
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Eric Cope <> wrote:
> >> I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s and 38s, thats
> >> better). Over 40 and thats good... (side note, have you safely aired up
> your
> >> tires to 40-45psi, that will get you 1-3 more mpg). The true metric is
> not
> >> $/mile, but $/day.
> >>
> >> $/gallon * gallons/mile * miles/day = $/day. If you spend $.10/mile but
> >> commute to LA from Phoenix, its still wasteful... but if you spend
> $1.5/day
> >> on fuel, thats making a difference. because if its only $1.50 a day,
> then
> >> you could probably bike to work...
> >>
> >> let me know what your solar experiences are. I found they take 20+ years
> to
> >> pay for themselves with warranties under 20 years. Are you familiar with
> the
> >> maintenance of solar?
> >>
> >> And you didn't answer my second question. If we as a population are
> willing
> >> to do it ourselves (which is always better), why do we require our
> leaders
> >> to bully us into doing it ourselves?
> >>
> >> keep up the good fight!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jason Spatafore <>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I bought a car that gets 32+ MPG constantly.
> >>>
> >>> See attached spreadsheet. :)
> >>>
> >>> Getting ready to have solar added to my house. 8.6kwH unit so I
> generate a
> >>> surplus.
> >>>
> >>> Notice how I measure performance on $/mile. That's what really matters.
> I
> >>> was ticked when it hit .10/mile. I want to see $.05/mile.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Eric Cope
> >>> To: ; Main PLUG discussion list
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
> >>> Sorry to start the flame war...
> >>> Stephen, what are you doing to stop the "addiction"?
> >>> Why do we need our "leaders" to do it for us?
> >>>
> >>> <remaining on soap box for response>
> >>>
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM, <> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Link is relevant to my interests but please add an "OT" to the subject
> >>>> line next time. :)
> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Stephen Wiebelhaus <>
> >>>>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:54:31
> >>>> To: <>
> >>>> Subject: Have you seen this ad?
> >>>>
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